Placement Help Needed.

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gratitude
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Placement Help Needed.

Post by gratitude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:18 am

Hi Ladies! We are looking forward to starting HOD in the fall. I have wanted a Christ centered program, and it looks like I found it. :D

So I know my third born is well placed with LHFHG (at least I think so :D ). I started her phonics in April, we are taking a break for summer, and will resume her phonics in the fall with LHFHG. She can read and spell some basic 3 letter words. Does it look right? Next year would be her Kindergarten year if she was in school.

It is my ds8 (turns 9 in a few weeks) that I think I have placed correctly, but I want to make sure. On the placement chart he has all of his circles in either Preparing or CTC; except for one circle in Bigger. For example, his age spans Bigger - CTC. His reading is in CTC. His math is in CTC. His Bible and grammar are in Preparing. His writing is in Bigger; or really half between Bigger and Preparing. So I was thinking Preparing. Does that sound right? On my chart I lowered all his CTC (I think would be much too hard) circles to Preparing. So my chart is filled with Preparing circles, and then the writing one in Bigger ~ or a little higher than Bigger. So it says to pick the one column with the most circles. Preparing, then?

This past year he did do ADV with MFW, but I added a lot to it for writing and science. I added the Junior Note book for Apologia that gave him 2 sentence note book entries once a week for science and an extra copy work scripture verse every other week. I also added Rod and Staff English 2 to MFW's Primary Language Lessons. I did have him write 1/3 of the R&S lessons by spring, and more inconsistently before that. I always had him write the original sentences required in it from the beginning of the book. I also added All About Spelling, which included dictation. There was dictation and copy work in PLL as well. I also added Italic D for cursive. This spring he actually was doing daily dictation between PLL and AAS.

So I looked at the writing laid out in Bigger on one of the posts. One of the reasons I am picking HOD is for Carrie's standards in writing. Without my additions, I can see why ladies recommend Bigger to follow ADV.

So the main difference I see between Bigger and what we did was greater consistency. ADV note booking for history is fairly inconsistent. It does have copy work in PLL, but it isn't every week. The weekly scripture copy work between Apologia and ADV was consistent. The copy work and dictation in PLL is fairly involved. The dictation really builds to some complex sentences, and can be long. But it isn't consistent, since it mixes in with picture study and such. Does this make sense?

Oh, I should add that I liked the books in HOD so I added from Bigger 1/2 of the history spines, 1/2 of the extension package (he is an advanced reader), and most of the classic and boy packages for Bigger to ADV for book basket. He did read all of the books, and most of the spines.

What does the writing look like at the start of Preparing? From the list it looks like it picks up quite a bit from the writing required in Bigger. Does it start at that level? I keep thinking that what he did was similar to Bigger, but probably not quite as much writing since Bigger is a fuller more consistent writing program than my beefed up ADV. He clearly places in Preparing. Can I take the writing slowly if we need to for a few months? Since he has read most of the books from Bigger for ADV I rather take Preparing slowly than Bigger quickly. Thoughts?

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by netpea » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:22 am

The placement chart is pretty accurate and if he places in Preparing to CTC then he should be ready for Preparing. Has he had cursive yet? You can take the writing slowly at first and ramp it up as you go as long as he is doing the program as written by the time you finish Preparing so that he is ready for CTC.

9yos can easily do Bigger as well (with extensions if needed). Since you are new to HOD, I would also consider doing Bigger with DITHOR if your son is not ready for the writing.

You also have an option of doing Preparing at 1/2 speed until your son is ready to take off with it. I'm sure others will offer you more advice. :D
Lee Ann
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DD10 - no longer schooled at home
DS12 - no longer schooled at home

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by gratitude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:40 am

netpea wrote:The placement chart is pretty accurate and if he places in Preparing to CTC then he should be ready for Preparing. Has he had cursive yet? You can take the writing slowly at first and ramp it up as you go as long as he is doing the program as written by the time you finish Preparing so that he is ready for CTC.

9yos can easily do Bigger as well (with extensions if needed). Since you are new to HOD, I would also consider doing Bigger with DITHOR if your son is not ready for the writing.

You also have an option of doing Preparing at 1/2 speed until your son is ready to take off with it. I'm sure others will offer you more advice. :D
Hi! We did Italic D this year for cursive. I am wanting to use Cheerful Cursive next year for a more traditional style, and learning how to read traditional cursive; but he does enjoy writing in Italic cursive.

I don't know if you saw it but he has read most of the books in Bigger for ADV, including most of the extension books; it is one of the ways I beefed up ADV since it was so light. The other way I increased ADV was writing; but I gradually built it all year. It is one of my biggest concerns of doing Bigger for the reason of writing; he has already read most of the books and likes to learn more than review!

I am planning on doing the 4/5 readers from DITHOR with the student book level 2/3.

I just looked at both of the 1st week samples. Bigger would be much less writing than he was doing the last 6 - 8 weeks of school this spring; at least in the first week. Preparing, would be a step up; but wouldn't that be true for students coming out of Bigger as well? I don't want him over his head, but I also don't want him bored either since that could turn him off to what looks like a great curriculum. HOD really fits where I am coming from as a teacher.

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by abrightmom » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:59 am

Carin,

CONGRATS on the decision! Preparing looks amazing ...... :D I think your guy is ready for Preparing. It may stretch him at first but this is good. It is quite easy to begin the year half speed so you can gauge the challenge. Divide up the subjects into a natural flow and take 2 days to do 1 day of a unit. I recommend keeping the history stuff together (except, perhaps, the Independent history study portion as that can be done separate from the readings). When we tried half speed Preparing I went through the day's boxes and tried to balance out the fine motor skill work so there wasn't too much writing or sketching on any given day. Since the guide is new the boxes will take longer anyway and you will probably appreciate having a slower pace through the learning curve. Once you've completed your first unit, at the end of two weeks, evaluate the pace, flow, writing, etc. and adjust if necessary. At some point you can move up to full speed but there is truly no rush. One thing that Carrie shared with me is that within a child's school work about 1/3 should be easy (skill building, review), 1/3 "on level", and 1/3 stretching/challenging. This helped me to evaluate my boys' placement and determine whether or not their days were balanced.

Woohoo!
Katrina 8) Wife to Ben, husband extraordinaire! God is so good!
DS21, DS20, DD18
Levi DS14

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by gratitude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:17 am

abrightmom wrote:Carin,

CONGRATS on the decision! Preparing looks amazing ...... :D I think your guy is ready for Preparing. It may stretch him at first but this is good. It is quite easy to begin the year half speed so you can gauge the challenge. Divide up the subjects into a natural flow and take 2 days to do 1 day of a unit. I recommend keeping the history stuff together (except, perhaps, the Independent history study portion as that can be done separate from the readings). When we tried half speed Preparing I went through the day's boxes and tried to balance out the fine motor skill work so there wasn't too much writing or sketching on any given day. Since the guide is new the boxes will take longer anyway and you will probably appreciate having a slower pace through the learning curve. Once you've completed your first unit, at the end of two weeks, evaluate the pace, flow, writing, etc. and adjust if necessary. At some point you can move up to full speed but there is truly no rush. One thing that Carrie shared with me is that within a child's school work about 1/3 should be easy (skill building, review), 1/3 "on level", and 1/3 stretching/challenging. This helped me to evaluate my boys' placement and determine whether or not their days were balanced.

Woohoo!
Hi Katarina!

Hooray!!!! :D & Thank you! :D My DH and I had a 3 hour date on Saturday morning, and we had a great talk over SL, MFW, eclectic (my assembly), and HOD. By the end it was very clear that HOD was the right fit for our family. It fits our goals of Christ centered learning and building independence and having our children work at their own skill level and content level for their maturity and abilities.

Thank you so much for the Preparing encouragement. There will be a learning curve in learning a new guide, style, etc. Your insight to do it half speed to start is a good idea while we learn how to do it. Carrie's quote is invaluable for me. I would agree with her that 1/3 stretch/challenge is important, and I don't see that for him in Bigger. Bigger would be more review and on level. He has been doing written narrations (2 sentences) for science, so I think he will be fine. He has also been doing longer dictations throughout the year too; so this too should be fine.

Thank you Katarina! Congratulations!!! It is wonderful to have our searching over! :D

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by netpea » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:44 pm

gratitude wrote: I just looked at both of the 1st week samples. Bigger would be much less writing than he was doing the last 6 - 8 weeks of school this spring; at least in the first week. Preparing, would be a step up; but wouldn't that be true for students coming out of Bigger as well? I don't want him over his head, but I also don't want him bored either since that could turn him off to what looks like a great curriculum. HOD really fits where I am coming from as a teacher.
Based on this and what you originally posted, I would agree that Preparing would be a better fit! Sounds like you have it figured out. :D
Lee Ann
DD3 - LHTH
DD10 - no longer schooled at home
DS12 - no longer schooled at home

Have used LHTH, LHFHG, BLHFHG, and BHFHG
http://netpea.blogspot.com

gratitude
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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by gratitude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:04 pm

netpea wrote:
gratitude wrote: I just looked at both of the 1st week samples. Bigger would be much less writing than he was doing the last 6 - 8 weeks of school this spring; at least in the first week. Preparing, would be a step up; but wouldn't that be true for students coming out of Bigger as well? I don't want him over his head, but I also don't want him bored either since that could turn him off to what looks like a great curriculum. HOD really fits where I am coming from as a teacher.
Based on this and what you originally posted, I would agree that Preparing would be a better fit! Sounds like you have it figured out. :D
Thank you Lee Ann! It is wonderful to have the confirmation before placing the final order. :D

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by my3sons » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:56 pm

You've already received such great advice here that I'll just celebrate a solid placement in PHFHG with you! :D I think you will love PHFHG - it is a wonderful guide! :D

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
Sister to Carrie

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by gratitude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:08 pm

my3sons wrote:You've already received such great advice here that I'll just celebrate a solid placement in PHFHG with you! :D I think you will love PHFHG - it is a wonderful guide! :D

In Christ,
Julie
Thank you Julie!! It is wonderful to receive your confirmation of our choice! Hooray! I am really looking forward to home schooling this fall. I keep wanting to start now, but I promised my children a break this summer. Thank you! :D

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Re: Placement Help Needed.

Post by my3sons » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:09 am

I'm glad to help, and enjoy your summer break! :D You deserve it, and so do the kiddos. :) We all need a break now and then - it gives us time to get excited and eagerly anticipate the next section of our HOD journey in homeschoolilng! :D :D :D

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
Sister to Carrie

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