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cmh
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Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:35 am

Hi there! A good friend of mine introduced me to HOD and we are hoping to use it for the coming school year. We have four kids who are 21 months apart. The oldest two are boys and they are almost six and recently turned four. What would be the best way to combine teaching them? The girls will be coming up behind them with the same age difference and situation. We just finished Kindergarten with our oldest son and he will be ready for first grade In the next few months. We used MFW for K and already have the first grade MFW curriculum, but I love the way HOD is laid out and the flow of the curriculum. Now I have to figure out how to sell our other curriculum!

Could I teach a first grader and preschooler with LHFHG and modify for the younger boy? He tagged along with his big brother for all of K and felt like it was his own curriculum.

Last question...how do I order from the website? I'm only seeing the book packages and not the core curriculum. I'm sure I'm missing something!

Thank you for helping me!

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by edsnyder » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:33 pm

cmh wrote:Hi there! A good friend of mine introduced me to HOD and we are hoping to use it for the coming school year. We have four kids who are 21 months apart. The oldest two are boys and they are almost six and recently turned four. What would be the best way to combine teaching them? The girls will be coming up behind them with the same age difference and situation. We just finished Kindergarten with our oldest son and he will be ready for first grade In the next few months. We used MFW for K and already have the first grade MFW curriculum, but I love the way HOD is laid out and the flow of the curriculum. Now I have to figure out how to sell our other curriculum!

Could I teach a first grader and preschooler with LHFHG and modify for the younger boy? He tagged along with his big brother for all of K and felt like it was his own curriculum.

Last question...how do I order from the website? I'm only seeing the book packages and not the core curriculum. I'm sure I'm missing something!

Thank you for helping me!

Hi Welcome to HOD! -

I am no expert but I can throw out my opinion :) for what it may or not be worth..

They really recommend following this as close as you can and its about each child and then finding what will work for your family.
Program Placement Chart
http://www.heartofdakota.com/placing-your-child.php


Here is the link for the books to order for Little Hearts for His Glory (from the home page you click on the guide and it takes you to a page giving lots of info for that guide and there is a pic at the right hand side of the guide at the top is a link that you click and it takes you to the packages to order)
http://www.heartofdakota.com/little-hearts-packages.php


On selling your old curriculum try finding a yahoo group that sells only the kind you have.

Good luck and again welcome to HOD!!!
Elisa help meet to my husband Luke of 12 years and mother of three awesome children:
ds9 - Bigger
ds6 - Beyond - Half Speed
dd3 - Little Hands -

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:18 pm

Thank you so much for your help Elisa!

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by my3sons » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:10 pm

Hi cmh, and welcome to the HOD Board! :D I was wondering if you could share what you find out after looking at the placement chart? The pp gave some good advice, and I'd love to help you out once I know a little more about each of your dc's reading, writing, and math skills. HOD is such a great way to homeschool, and placement just makes everything in the day to day so much more enjoyable for both mom and dc! :D When you get the chance, can you share a bit about each of your dc with the placement chart in mind, especially their reading, writing, and math (which is on the first page of the placement chart)? The ladies here are very helpful then - I'll check back here later!

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
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Sister to Carrie

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:23 pm

Thank you Julie for your response! Our oldest (6 at end of May) is reading three letter words well and starting to read words with two-consonant endings. He know some sight words as well. He can write all of his letters and numbers, but gets antsy after writing more than about 6 words in one sitting. We did a 100 chart during K, but he still has some trouble identifying some of them, depends on the day! He is doing simple addition and subtraction with sums to 10 and subtraction from 10. Some is in his head and sometimes he uses counters or a number line. Our biggest obstacle is attention span. If he sees his work and knows what he has left to do, he's fine. With reading, he can do it, but just doesn't seem to want to very much.

Our just turned 4 year old boy asked to learn to read a few months ago and was eager to learn and was blending consonants and vowels and reading 3 letter words pretty well. Then one day he told me he did not want to read from that book anymore (Phonics Pathways), so we put it down. I dont want to push him at such a young age of he's not interested, but I know now that he is capable of doing it. I haven't worked on a lot of writing with him besides his name. Math wise he knows his colors, shapes, and numbers to 10.

We also have two girls who are 2 and 7 months and if possible it would be great to combine some of our kids as they get older.

I am so grateful for everyone's kindness and help!

Christy

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by my3sons » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:56 pm

Thanks for sharing about your dc, Christy! :D From what you've shared, right now, your 6 yo ds places very nicely in LHFHG, and your 4 yo places in Little Hands to Heaven. HOD is quite flexible, so you have several options you can consider. :D In general, it is better to combine dc in the younger of the two guides, and beef up for the older when combining with HOD. The skills are such a part of each guide, that having a younger child tag along with the older child's learning when they are below the target age levels of a guide eventually ends up in the younger child being unable to successfully do the guide. In contrast, choosing the younger of the 2 guides works well long-term for both the younger child and the older child, as HOD has extensions written for the older child beginning with Bigger Hearts. Several levels of LA and math are written in each guide too, so this makes beefing up easy to do. :D

I am wondering when you would want to start? If it is now, then I'd suggest one of two things.
Option #1: Start LHFHG with your 6 yo ds and do a leisurely trip through Little Hands to Heaven with your 4 yo, having the 2 yo join in as you like.
Option #2: Start Little Hands with your 4 and 6 yo, using the upper level Bible and devotional and add the right side of LHFHG (LA and math) for your 6 yo. You could even do 2 lessons each day of LHTH with the 2 of them, and just 1 lesson a day of the LHFHG LA and math with 6 yo. This would be very doable and fun, too!

If you are wanting to start later, like say around August or September, I am thinking your younger of the boys would be around 4 1/2 yo. Then, an option may be to start LHFHG with the two of them, but do it just 4 days a week instead of 5 days a week. You could then do Beyond and Bigger Hearts 4 days a week as well, and in so doing spread the three guides LHFHG, Beyond, and Bigger Hearts out over 4 years. This would help your younger of the boys be more able to be handle the skills in the guides and work well for combining the two of them.

Those are just a few thoughts I had, but what are your thoughts about this? :D I'd love to know, and also to know when you would be starting and how old your youngest would be then. :D

In Christ,
Julie
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Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:51 pm

Thank you Julie for these well thought out plans! I love how flexible this curriculum is and how custom it can be for our family.

I have a lot of questions as I try to wrap my mind around all of this, so please bear with me!!

I was hoping to start sooner than later so we don't lose skills learned in K, but the option of waiting until the fall and combining them with a 4 day schedule over the next several years makes a lot of sense to me. If we wait and the boys are both in LHFHG, can you break down what they would each use that might be different according to their ages in LHFHG? Also, if we do wait, what do people do in between breaks that long so it's not so hard when starting back up again?

If we started now with option 1 would the older go straight through LHFHG 5 days and the younger son would do LHTH until ready for LHFHG? Would that put the two boys only about a year apart when the older is doing BLHFHG and the younger starts LHFHG? Thank you for your patience! I am still trying to wrap my brain around the age range vs. grade level with HOD! With option 1 I like that I could have our 2 year old join in!

If we started now with option 2, would we start LHFHG with both boys when we finish LHTH and just keep going with the older son's math and language arts? Would they basically just have the same Bible and History and have different LA, math, science and handwriting when they got to LHFHG?

Whew! That is a lot of questions, so I'll stop here. To answer your last question, our youngest will be 1 in August and the second youngest will be 3 in November.

Thank you again and again for your help! I'm so excited about our coming school year, however it ends up looking:)

Sincerely,
Christy

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by 3sweeties » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:00 pm

Bumping for my friend!!! :D :D :D
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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by my3sons » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:57 pm

cmh - I somehow missed that you'd responded here, thanks for your patience in my getting back to you - and thanks 3sweeties for the bump! :D
cmh wrote:...I was hoping to start sooner than later so we don't lose skills learned in K, but the option of waiting until the fall and combining them with a 4 day schedule over the next several years makes a lot of sense to me. If we wait and the boys are both in LHFHG, can you break down what they would each use that might be different according to their ages in LHFHG? Also, if we do wait, what do people do in between breaks that long so it's not so hard when starting back up again?...

I think you should start if you are ready to start! I'd have trouble waiting too. :D

If we started now with option 1 would the older go straight through LHFHG 5 days and the younger son would do LHTH until ready for LHFHG? Would that put the two boys only about a year apart when the older is doing BLHFHG and the younger starts LHFHG? Thank you for your patience! I am still trying to wrap my brain around the age range vs. grade level with HOD! With option 1 I like that I could have our 2 year old join in!
If you went with option 1, your older would go straight through LHFHG 5 days a week.
Your 4 yo could go through LHTH at a pace you felt would help him be starting LHFHG when he was ready (anywhere from 1-2 years probably). You would choose the older options for LHTH then ("The New Bible in Pictures for Little Eyes, and either devotional).
Or, you could go through LHTH with your 4 yo with the younger options, having the 2 yo work alongside him as able. Then, the next year you could go through LHTH again with your then 3 and 5 yo with the older Bible and devotional options, with a goal to try to start LHFHG when your younger of the pair was as close to 5 yo as possible, and your other ds was close to 7 yo.


If we started now with option 2, would we start LHFHG with both boys when we finish LHTH and just keep going with the older son's math and language arts? Would they basically just have the same Bible and History and have different LA, math, science and handwriting when they got to LHFHG?
If you started now, you could do LHTH with the oldest options ("The New Bible in Pictures for Little Eyes" and "My ABC Bible Verses"). Your 6 yo would do LHTH as his core program, and in addition, you would add these LA/math parts from the right side of the LHFHG guide: Phonics, Math, Handwriting, Fine Motor Skills, and possibly science. I'd use the K options of these. Then, the following year, your then 5 yo and 7 yo would do LHFHG as their core program, but your 5 yo would do it with the K options for LA/math, and your 7 yo would do it with the 1st grade options.

Whew! That is a lot of questions, so I'll stop here. To answer your last question, our youngest will be 1 in August and the second youngest will be 3 in November.
One other option based on this information would be to have your 6 yo go ahead and begin LHFHG and go through it in a year, and combine your 3 yo and 4 1/2 yo in LHTH, taking around 1 1/2 years to work through that, so that the younger of that pair would be quite close to 5 yo when starting LHFHG.

Thank you again and again for your help! I'm so excited about our coming school year, however it ends up looking:)

Sincerely,
Christy
WHEW - now that was a lot of information I gave - so hoping I didn't confuse the matter more! I think it comes down to who you feel would combine better together. If you are thinking the 4 and 6 yo would work well together, I like the option of starting LHTH with the older options, and adding in the K LA/math from LHFHG. This would give you time to hit LA and math really well with your 6 yo, while bringing along your little ds to result in a good combining situation for years to come. If you are thinking 3 and 4 yo would combine better together, and 6 yo would do better starting LHFHG on his own, then I like the option of 6 yo starting LHFHG and 3 and 4 1/2 yo taking around 1 1/2 years to go through LHTH together. There isn't one right answer here, but I agree starting now would be good. What are your thoughts though? I am heading to a convention at MACHE this weekend, but I do try to keep up on the board here as time allows. I will try to check back and see your thoughts, and for sure by the beginning of next week I will get back to you after hearing your thoughts. Placement takes a bit of time, but it is so worth it. I think in your case, you have little ones close in age, so there are quite a few options to consider, and they are all quite good (which actually may seem to make the decision harder, but is truly a good thing :wink: ). I hope something here helps, and I'll be glad to answer any more questions you have! I know you must be a sweetie if you are friends with 3sweeties - love that gal's outlook on life - so glad you are going to be a part of this board too!

In Christ,
Julie
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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:21 am

Hi Julie! Thank you for the great details and the options! I talked to my husband more about all of the options and we've landed on combining the boys (almost 6 and 4) and starting them in LHTH. So if we start now and do 2 pages per day, when would we start LHFHG? Also, even though our oldest has just finished K you think we should still order the K options for him? He seems to be placing in the 2a Early Bird math and we are just starting to go through The Reading Lesson with both of them. Our older son is getting through it faster since he is reading CVC words well. So when we start LHFGH will we start with The K science book with our younger boy and the 1st science book with our older boy? I guess I'm just trying to figure out what we need to order! I'd like to go ahead and also get what we'll be needing for LHFHG now to combine the shipment. Where do we order the devotional that goes with LHTH on the website?

That's a bunch of random questions! Thank you so much for your time and help!

I am very blessed to be friends with 3sweeties (Jessica to me!) She is a great friend and has been very instrumental in helping me figure all of this out. With your and her help we are getting a great start with this new curriculum! I'm so glad Jessica introduced us to HOD!

Have a great day!
Christy

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:18 pm

I realized I mis-typed earlier. Our oldest is placing in early bird math 2b not 2a. That probably doesn't make too much of a difference, but I'm trying to figure out if we could start LHTH with our older kind of finishing up K and then starting LHFHG at a first grade level in 6-8 months. That would give our younger son time to grow without holding back our older son. Just some thoughts I've had today while getting our order ready!

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by bethelmommy » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:32 pm

Hi Christy,

I'm not Julie, but I think they are all at conference this weekend, so I will try to help you. When ordering on the website, when you look at the LHTH page, there is a little header towards the top that says LHTH related books. If you click on that, it takes you to the options for devotionals, bibles, etc...

If your son places in the second earlybird math book, that is fine. You will want the LHFHG guide so you can have the hands on activities to go with it. You could do K science now if you want, but it flows really nicely with the history in LHFHG so I don't really think it's a problem to wait and start K science with the rest of the guide and then move on to 1st grade science with Beyond.

For what it's worth, we started LHFHG a little earlier this year. I am combining ds6 and dd4.5. We are doing 4 days a week to slow down the guide. Ds will still be in LHFHG for most of 1st grade. We are doing all K options right now. I am letting ds work ahead in math because it is pretty easy for him right now, so he will start the first grade math sometime next fall, but otherwise he will continue with the K options for the Rod and Staff Fine Motor skills and Science as scheduled in the guide. When you finish Phonics with your oldest, you will move into the Emerging Readers and at that time you will want the Beyond guide for the reading schedule as well as to add spelling if you feel your son is ready.
If you have more questions feel free to ask. I recently navigated a lot of what you are thinking through so I am happy to help as much as able.
Grace and peace,
Alicia
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DD 13 Rev2Rev, DITHOR 4/5
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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:41 pm

Hi Alicia! Thank you for helping me! It was very helpful hearing about what your family is doing. Your kids are about the same ages as ours will be in the fall. As I've been looking at the LHTH guide and talking to a few friends who use HOD, it seems like it is a repeat of what we've already done in K with our older son. My instinct is telling me to put him in LHFHG and either try and see if his little brother can do it with us with the younger options or just do two separate guides. I made the order last night, so when everything comes in I'll sit down and be able to better figure out where we need to be. Seems like no matter what we end up deciding, we can always tweak it!

Would you mind sharing with me what your 4.5 has been doing? I'm trying to figure out what each of them would be doing if we combined them in LHFHG going at half speed 4 days a week.

I really appreciate your time and help! Everyone on the board is so nice and helpful! This has been a confusing, yet exciting process and I've needed all the help I can get!

Have a great night!
Christy

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by bethelmommy » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:55 pm

I'm glad you've got things figured out. My 4.5 yr old is doing the guide with K options as is. Her writing skills are on par with her brother so this has not been a problem. The first earlybird math book is very simple and the hands on math activities really help enhance what they are learning in the workbook. We do a full day of HOD but only 4 days a week so this adds an extra 9 weeks to the guide. I anticipate that we will finish sometime between next January and March which will make dd almost 5.5 when we move to the next guide.

My 6 year old ds is following the guide as well, but we do math 5-6 days a week so he is now on week 8 of math and dd is on week 5 which is where we are in the guide. I also have him do the k handwriting book on the extra math days as well because I want him to go through the next handwriting book before beginning copy work in Beyond. Handwriting is hard for him, so the extra practice is good. Dd also frequently chooses extra handwriting because she likes it, but I don't require it for her. They both do TRL 5-6 days a week but ds does 2-3 pages a day and dd does 1-2 so she will continue with TRL into next year and probably will not be ready for the Emerging Readers until we start Beyond. Ds however, will be ready next fall.

If all continues to go well, both dc will do all the guides as written but at a 4 day week pace with ds a grade level ahead in math, reading, and eventually LA. I hope all this makes sense.
Grace and peace,
Alicia
DS 14 MTMM, DITHOR 6/7/8
DD 13 Rev2Rev, DITHOR 4/5
DS 10 Bigger, DITHOR 2/3
DD 8 Beyond, Level 2 Book Pack
(Previously completed LHFHG, Beyond, Bigger, Preparing, CTC, RTR, Rev2Rev, and DITHOR 2/3, 4/5)

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Re: Questions from a newbie

Post by cmh » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:42 pm

It does makes sense! Thanks for sharing with me. Seems like with HOD you are able to customize very specifically to the needs of each child. I can't wait for our order to arrive!

Enjoy your weekend!
Christy

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