Where to place them?

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Mom of 7 in TX
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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Mom of 7 in TX » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:52 pm

my3sons wrote:
Mom of 7 in TX wrote:...Although im adding their own Math and LA they wont be doing the Math or LA in HOD so i dont think it'll be too much?
R & S English partners well with this, as organized clear writing is taught in a step-by-step manner, and grammar is taught not as a separate entity, but rather for the purpose of teaching good writing as well. :D HOD's ideas to do 2/3 of it orally, to finish Level 6 by the end of Grade 8, to finish Level 8 by the end of Grade 12 (Levels 7 and 8 are credit worthy), and to do some years half-speed in the guides all work together to make doing R & S English through the years manageable. :D
The problem with this is ds11 is finished R&S Grade 6 LA Combo this year, and dd9 finished the 4th grade LA this year too, dd6 has finished the 1st grade LA ,thats the main reason we can use HOD's LA, and i do like having them use R&S from the beginning they are all very strong in LA.

Thanks for your help though!

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Mom of 7 in TX » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:20 pm

Thanks for all your help, i still havent decided :| , i need to soon though b/c we school year round, and theyre almost done and i like to look over everything.

I do like my half speed plan, it seems like it would work well :), and that would give us a 4 day schedule for everything but the 3R's thats what ive always done.

That would make dd4 about 6 1/2 (almost 7) and it would make dd6 (almost 7) 9 in Bigger, and then theyd be at the right age, that would be what would happen if we did Little Hearts this year too.

Only thing is about Little Hearts is it looks to easy for dd6 (almost 7).

I think im just going to do Beyond half speed :D

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Mom of 7 in TX » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:44 pm

Ive been looking at all of the programs again and i think im going to do Revival to Revolution so i dont have to add anything for the 9th grader and b/c the more i thought about it, i didnt understand why i would even put the 9th grader in CTC, when i basically had to her doing the subjects over again with something else.
I think dd9 could do Revival to Revolution, then she could use the scheduled LA (she's on R&S 5 anyways) and then ds11 could do the scheduled LA but then use R&S English 7 (i will schedule the whole thing throughout the year).

Then dd13 can do the extensions with RevTRev (w/o the science) and then everything else stated before except the ACE World Geography.

I think this Sounds better :D Even though it says 11 as the youngest age, i think dd9 can do it :)

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by my3sons » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:36 am

It would be better to have the 9 yo join the youngers or do his/her own program than to try to have that child do RevtoRev. I am currently editing RevtoRev, and 11 yo is really the very youngest age that could possibly do it. It is H-A-R-D! Very appropriate for 11-15 yo's, but near to impossible for anyone younger. The primary source documents come to mind. :shock: The writing skills needed come to mind. :shock: The reading skills needed come to mind. Yikes! :shock: The jump from CTC to RevtoRev is BIG. It will leave little 9 yo in the dust. :( I know Carrie will comment when she is able as well, but I really think CTC would be the best if you want to combine all 3 of them. Another option would be to do CTC with the 9 and 11 yo dc, and have your oldest do RevtoRev. The guides get more and more independent, so that would actually be much easier to do than trying to have a 9 yo do RevtoRev. HTH!

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Carrie » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:29 am

Mom of 7 in TX,

The ladies are doing a terrific job of dialoguing with you about your possible options. I can see that you have a very busy family and that will be important to keep in mind as we weigh your options.

I spent some time reading through this entire thread, so I can wrap my mind around your dynamics and situation. :D I agree with you that if your 9th grader places well in Rev2Rev than I would place that child there. It will be important for your 9th grader to have read all of her own history and science in the past easily, be a strong independent worker and a very strong reader, be able to read and follow lengthy written directions on her own, write quite easily and have had fairly extensive writing practice, be used to higher level thinking and analyzing difficult texts and documents, have an strong exposure to poetry, and have some familiarity with Charlotte Mason's methods to be able to narrate well both in writing and in speaking. If this doesn't describe your daughter, you could instead place her in RTR. Correct placement will make all the difference in the world as to whether HOD works for your family or not. :wink: Rev2Rev is a very meaty guide and will be challenging even for a 9th grader who is not strong in the skills I listed above. :D

With that said, there is no way that I would recommend placing a 9 year old in Rev2Rev The target age range for Rev2Rev is ages 11-13 with extensions for 14 and 15 year olds. I would also be incredibly hesistant to place an 11 year old who is new to HOD in Rev2Rev. The same guidelines I listed above for the 9th grader would also apply to the 11 year old. There is so much more to the guides than meets the eye! :D

If you desire to place your 9 and 11 year old together, then I think that CTC or even Preparing would be the way to go. Have your 9 and 11 year old been reading their own history and science texts up to this point? If not, then CTC could be a bit of a jump, as the texts are not easy and the directions in CTC are fairly lengthy with more than 1/2 of the boxes requiring independent work. This is a huge jump for kiddos who have always had their texts read aloud to them, and always had an adult leading their lessons, which is why I ask. Language arts is just one area we weigh as look at placement. :D

As far as your 6 year old goes, I agree from what you've shared that child would fit best in Beyond. The issue is that you'd like your 4 year old to join in, and while your 4 year old could definitely listen in to Beyond and probably do some of the work, there is no way in looking down the road that a child of that age will continue to hang with the older sibling as you move through the guides without you continuing to read everything aloud as you go (and water down the skills too). At HOD, we plan for kiddos in CTC on up to read their own history and science in order to give you time to teach the more important subjects like Bible, purity, Biblical worldview, etc. So, it is very important that the child truly be able to do what we assigning to be done independently in each guide, or you will lose your teaching time reading aloud texts we intend to be read silently by the child and miss the more important things to teach that matter much more! :D

So, with this in mind, I see two options for you with your 4 youngers. Option 1 would be to place the 6 year old in Beyond and have that child do it alone. Of course the youngers could listen in, but it wouldn't truly be their program and they wouldn't be doing it for the long haul as the work gets harder from guide to guide. And, by Preparing the older child would be reading his own science and by CTC reading both his own history and science. In this option, the younger 3 would do Little Hands to Heaven and you would add the 3R's for your 4 year old to raise LHTH to be a K program. In adding the 3R's, you would add phonics, daily math, handwriting, and fine motor skills work. You could do the read-alouds from Beyond with all at lunch. :D

Option 2 would be to combine your 4 and 6 year old in LHFHG (and add part of the right side of Beyond for your 6 year old to raise the level of the 3R's or do your own higher level 3R's). This plan would allow you to keep these 2 kiddos together for the long haul in many subjects. While some of the activities may be younger than those in Beyond, my boys were delighted with them and it gave me great joy not to skip that stage of their learning just to get to more academic "school". Those little ones never get that time back again to be young! Then, your 4 and 6 year old would be a pair as they moved through the guides. In this scenario, your younger pair could do LHTH very slowly, taking several years to get through it. :D

Either option will work, but I would not recommend placing your 4 year old in Beyond and stretching Beyond out over 2 years, taking it at such a slow pace that your 6 year old is not engaged simply so you can slow a program down so far that a 4 year old can do it. LHFHG at full-speed would be more rigorous than Beyond at half-speed over 2 years. Plus, by using the plans as written, and having your children well-placed, you will truly benefit from just opening-and-going with the guides and teaching a day within a day. :D

I don't typically recommend doing a guide for 2 full years ever, but rather slowing a guide down for a season if needed, and then bumping up to full speed by the following year for sure. Otherwise the pace is just too slow, for too long, and it doesn't engage the child or the parent in the long haul! It begins to feel like you will never finish! Often, people begin adding to a guide when they're stretching it out so slowly, and at that point they're really not doing HOD but rather their own combination of things. So, it loses the flow we so carefully planned. :wink:

Anyway, feel free to pop back and share, so we can find the best fit, as I know it can be a lot to ponder! We have large families that use HOD, so I know it is possible for you too. It's just so important to get the right fit! :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Mom of 7 in TX » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Thanks you Carrie for your very explained response :D I know you are busy.

I think my 9th grader will do RevTRev so it will be 9th grade worthy and b/c she's smart and i think it would finally give her a challenge :D

I'm thinking i'll put my 9 year old (10 on August 8th) in CTC and the 11 year old (turned 11 on January 1st) in CTC with Extensions, the both will use R&S at their Grade levels for LA and then both their seperate Math programs. And so they can stay in the same programs, for awhile allthough the 9 year old will have an extra 2 years :) but I'll figure that out when we get there.

I want to keep my 4 & 6 year olds together (they are inseparable, LOL ) so we'll do LHFHG :) and they both will do their 3R's seperatly, thinking about it this would be better they will be closer to the target ages, The 4 year old will be 5 on December 25th and the 6 year old will be 7 on July 4th
and IMO at their age the most important things are the 3R's the other stuff is just fun!

My 3 year old will be 4 on November 20th, And my 2 year old will be 3 on August 8th (he was a preemie) so it will be a preschool program. And then we will start LHFHG when they are 4 & 5? would that be okay?

Thanks for all your help Carrie and Everybody! :) Does this sound better?

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Re: Where to place them?

Post by my3sons » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:45 am

Mom of 7 in TX wrote:...Does this sound better?
Yes - it sounds great, and I think you are set! :D HOORAY - a good plan has come together - I love that. Happy days are ahead with HOD. :)

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Julie
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Re: Where to place them?

Post by Carrie » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:36 pm

Yes! I agree that your plan sounds like a good one! :D I would definitely plan to spend some time training your CTC pair with their guide so that they can truly do what is coded 'I' independently well. This can take some training when first jumping into HOD. The same may be true for your older child. :D

We'll look forward to journeying with you and to talking through questions along the way. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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