Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

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abrightmom
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Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by abrightmom » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:21 am

Ladies,

I've spent a little time with Singapore this week :D .

It seems to me that in order to achieve mastery of concepts a student needs more practice than is contained in the workbook alone. I realize there is some practice with the hands on component but the workbooks really contain very little. Singapore has designed the program with many components (i.e. extra practice, word problems, intensive practice) that seem to be designed to use together in a customized fashion. In my experience (very limited!!!!!! :D ) kids just do not retain without reviewing, practicing, etc.

Since HOD does not recommend HIGs (as an option) until the later grades and does not recommend the Singapore extras how are your kiddos doing with retention and application as the years go by? Are you using the "extras"? Are you finding that the concepts are sticking with such limited practice? How are you doing math facts practice? I believe that it is important for them to understand the concepts first but at some point the recall of their math facts does help them to move forward with more challenging math. It generally needs to be reviewed and practiced. Is there more workbook work as the years go by?? I only own earlybird and 1A/1B at this point. I may pick up 2A and 2B just to "see". The samples just do not reveal enough and make it look simplistic. Yet, when we take the placement tests they're challenging!!! Part of that is due to scope and sequence between curricula but even with that consideration Singapore is more than meets the eye I think!

HOD is so good at guiding us along the path that I guess I'm looking for more with math. It seems too easy and too simple for such a challenging math program. Is there more expected from the teaching Mom when it comes to using Singapore?? In other homeschool circles the families using Singapore generally use several components and believe that Singapore is best taught using more than just the workbooks. Help! I'm just not confident that it is enough math if we follow HOD's lay out and I would love to hear from more long term users HOW you're using Singapore over the years and what your results have been.

Thanks so much! I'd read threads if you know of any that would be helpful. I'll go back and re-read the whys behind HOD's choices as well. Each time I read I glean a little more.
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by twoxcell » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 am

I'm using the workbooks, textbooks, and HIG's for 2a/2b. Next year I will be teaching 1a/1b, and will use the Tex/work as well as Carries hands on. I also will be teaching 3a/3b with the text/work, and HIG's. I do facts practice with my ds using card games, computer games, and flash cards some.
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by Tracee » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:00 pm

Are you talking about the problems per page? We are using 1A and there are only a few problems per page, but the first 19 lessons concentrate on addition. We are starting lesson 20 (subtraction) tomorrow. It seems that it was plenty of practice before going on to subtraction. My ds is 6 1/2 and severely dyslexic, so rote memorization such as math facts will be hard for him to learn, but because we are using Singapore and HOD, he is getting it. Does he know all his math facts?.....no, but he is close and getting better everyday. I think once you do the activities in the HOD manual and go through the textbook portion, only a few written problems are necessary. I make ds answer the questions in the textbook, so by the time we get to the written portion, he's had a lot of exposure to the concept. I really don't think you need the HIG in addition to the HOD manual and the textbook.


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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by twoxcell » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:05 pm

I agree that you don't really need the HIG's for 1a/1b. I found them somewhat helpful for 2a, and I don't own the one for 2b. From 3a up I think they become more necessary, and I plan to use them. I'm using the textbooks for 1, and 2 because I want them visual explanations to do with the kids as well as the hands on. I also wanted to add that SM assumes that you are doing math facts practice on your own in addition to the books.
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by MomtoJGJE » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:38 pm

We don't do math facts practice, at least yet. But I've only used the workbooks and hands on stuff so far through 2A, and DD1 is retaining it very well. If I make her stop and think she knows the facts. Same for my younger ones who have been around it. DD2 is loving 1A and, as a different personality, uses facts instead of counting for most things.... and DD3 will fly through the Earlybird just based on what she knows and says day to day.

I guess my hangup with facts practice is that I honestly don't care how fast my kids can do math, as long as they get it right.

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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by acts29stl » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:26 pm

My 2 dc have finished up through 2B and have retained their math very well. Each have different learning styles and strengths but both have flourished. I have used the intensive practice books, but more for "filling" the gap between ending 1 school year and beginning the next. I didn't want their math to get rusty and wanted to keep them with the SM way of learning. The hands-on lessons are truly the key though. The dc are able to visualize the concept and really "see" the math in everyday life. 2+2 is no longer just black numbers on a page but instead represents the 2 cookies my son ate and the 2 cookies my daughter ate! :D This is what I believe cements the concepts in their busy brains :lol: My dc do work on the math wrap-ups for extra practice in math facts, but again that's usually just used to fill in time gaps and keep their brains from turning into mush over long breaks :D HTH!!
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by KristinBeth » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:53 pm

I hate to interrupt, but this is a very interesting conversation. It's freaking me out though! I don't even know what "math facts" means! If my children make it through homeschooling with any math knowledge at all it will be by the grace of God alone. Does Singapore have enough explanation for a non-math person? I'm starting to worry the more I read about it. :?

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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by MomtoJGJE » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:11 pm

Math facts, as I understand it, are like tables that we learned in school. like 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 1+3=4, etc... and times tables like 2x2=4, 2x3=6, etc. Singapore teaches WHY 1 and 1 are 2. (If I have one cookie and you have one cookie we have two cookies together for addition or Sam, Julie, and Max each have 2 cookies, how many cookies all together? for multiplication)

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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by doubleportion » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:05 pm

When we got to Singapore 3 I bought the Extra Practice Book. My dd used it when we got to a section I wanted her to practice a few more of the same kind of problems. We have been doing Math Drill for a couple of years now. Mostly just drilling multiplication tables this year. Others years before that it was addition and subtraction facts. But my dd is very weak in math and not a visual learner. Flash cards etc have never worked. I have never felt a need to get more than the textbook and workbook until we got to 3. I didn't get the extra practice book for 4. I think the only thing needed to be added for some families using Singapore is the math facts drill. I think Singapore is a strong program. I'm looking forward to using the hands on things written into the guides in the younger years. We jumped into HOD late in the game. But we will be hitting those younger guides with my little guys as we move along. Just can't wait to see what the other guides hold!

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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by acts29stl » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:00 pm

Kristenbeth-

don't worry at all about what to do! The hands on activities are so simple and very self-explainatory. Just like in LHTH :D My dc think we are just playing and don't realize we are doing math! Just today my ds5 asked if we were going to do math and I said we just did! He looked at me and said, "oh!" :lol: So don't be anxious, just stick with the manual and you'll be surprised how easy math can be to teach :D

BTW: math facts are just 1+1=2, 1+2=3, ect.....
Psalm 27:4 "One thing I desire of the Lord, that will I seek; that I may behold the beauty of the Lord and meditate in His temple."
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by abrightmom » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:04 pm

acts29stl wrote:Kristenbeth-

don't worry at all about what to do! The hands on activities are so simple and very self-explainatory. Just like in LHTH :D My dc think we are just playing and don't realize we are doing math! Just today my ds5 asked if we were going to do math and I said we just did! He looked at me and said, "oh!" :lol: So don't be anxious, just stick with the manual and you'll be surprised how easy math can be to teach :D

BTW: math facts are just 1+1=2, 1+2=3, ect.....
:D :D :D Precious! :D :D :D
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by abrightmom » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:07 pm

Ladies,

Thanks for sharing your experiences & thoughts. My conclusions are thus: use Singapore HOD's way and tweak accordingly :mrgreen: . It sounds like each of us has a comfort level in how we go about teaching math and we are also teaching math to unique little people. So, if I use Singapore a la HOD that will be my starting point. I'll take each kiddo on a case by case basis and supplement the teaching or learning as needed. Math Mammoth (my oldest uses this) and Singapore are quite similar in their methodology. It would be simple to use MM materials as "extra practice" alongside Singapore if the need arises.

Thanks again for your input! :D
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by Tracee » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:18 pm

Katrina, this could be an additional supplement also. It's a CD for 1A-2B that has math games, problems and challenges.

http://www.singaporemath.com/CD_ROM_Rai ... _p/cd1.htm
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by twoxcell » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:57 pm

To me Singapore is a breath of fresh air after using Horizons for K, and 1st. The Horizons TM are pretty much useless. I felt like with Horizons we were just doing a bunch of boring worksheets day after day. Yes there is a ton of review, but no real math understanding. With Singapore we do hands on every day. Carries hands on plans are a ton of fun. The lessons are short and straight to the point. I have not had a problem adding in fact practice on the side. I just ordered Rainbow rock, and Vroot and Vroom. My kids love computer games, and they looked fun to me.
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Re: Singapore math - a few ??s about HOD's approach

Post by KristinBeth » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:53 pm

Very encouraging! Thanks, ladies. :D
Sorry I derailed the discussion a bit. :shock:
Kristin

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