Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

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Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by mrsrandolph » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:08 am

I kind of don't like a coupe of aspects on LHFHG. Don't yell at me! : ) REALLY please don't be upset, these are only my opinions.

Let me preface by saying I LOVE LHTH & LHFHG.

I am a reading specialist, and I am critical of reading & phonics. I admit it.

I wish that we didn't just do Burgess stories. One reason is the type of dialect they use (accents & such) expose kids to SO much of the same type of writing. ( A Year's worth).

I totally get that we can ALSO read other books on our own time ... Miss Piggle Wiggle or The Hundred Dresses or Mr. Poppers Penguins. I would like to be told what to read and given suggestions for topics to discuss after each chapter...but...I would like more variety in authors & type of dialect used.

Additionally, I feel Reddy Fox needs some background information on characters. It is confusing to not know who they are.

I think this age group is still in need of really classic picture books as well...Mike Mulligan, A Chair For My Mother, Ferdinand, Tom Thumb, Tikki Tikki Tembo, and the like. These stories are GREAT for enriching retelling and (optional) enrichment projects.

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The second thing I don't like is the recommended phonics resources. I have both of them. Though their is no perfect system, I think Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson both have flaws that are pretty big.

I know it is important to give folks affordable choices. However, giving some less affordable choices that are more sound is an option too. I have suggestions if you like One program I really like is Scaredy Cat Reading, but there are many others I like as well. :lol:
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I would like to see some more math choices recommended by HOD. Again, I understand that Singapore is inexpensive. But when you read reviews, so many people don't like it. And it has VERY little options for hands on kids.

Though HOD doesn't have to offer these necessarily, maybe it could recommend some alternate programs. Right Start Math, Math U See (both expensive). Saxon (especially for upper grades), Teaching Textbooks...

Let me reiterate my love for HOD and it's products! I am a faithful user!

Thanks for listening!
Shannon Randolph LOVING HOD & Running 4 Guides & DITHOR
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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by Carrie » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:50 am

Shannon,

I'll just preface this explanatory post by saying you are gladly entitled to your opinion, and ever since the board opened we've never actually had anyone "yell" at another person for giving her opinion. We strive to be a Christ-centered board full of ladies who work to please their heavenly Father. :wink:

However, if you choose to share that opinion on the author's board, you're going to get an explanation of why we made the choices that we did. So that's what this post is going to do. :D

Whenever you use a program that covers all subject areas, the chances that you're not going to agree with every area in the program is pretty good! We all bring our own special talents and experiences to the homeschool table, and no program is going to satisfy everyone in all areas. That is why you ultimately get the chance to make the program your own by adjusting any areas you may not love in order to better suit your style. :D

As far as phonics goes, we specifically chose NOT to include a phonics program in our guides, leaving that very important and very personal decision up to the parent. There are many excellent phonics programs out there, and no one program is going to be "best" for all types of kiddos who are learning to read. Since this is an area of specialty for you, you can easily pick a program that suits you and your child's philosophy better. The Scaredy Cat Phonics system is an interesting program. We had it here at our house to use and found it quite confusing to implement, even though I had spent years teaching reading prior to that. However, if that program suits your philosophy, by all means use it. Joyce Herzog is a wonderful person and I have enjoyed visiting with her on the past on several occasions. :D

As far as literature goes, we are very big literature fans, having Drawn into the Heart of Reading as our first guide we ever published. I agree that the wonderful picture books you listed are worth reading aloud to kiddos. However, in LHFHG, we are working at moving beyond the picture book stage. The Thornton Burgess books are just right for moving kiddos from picture book to chapter book listening in bite-sized increments. They work beautifully for teaching the needed skills of beginning oral narration, learning to predict a character's actions based on a long-term relationship with the character, and learning to stay with a storyline for a lengthier period of time. We've never had any trouble keeping our kiddo's interest with these particular stories, as they beg for more. Thornton Burgess wrote his stories for a newspaper column for many years that was read and adored by children, so it is a group of stories that has stood the test of time in both child appeal and in writing style. They are definitely an acquired taste, as they have a higher level of vocabulary and more involved plots. :wink: By the way, if you peek ahead to Beyond, you'll see the wonderful storytime selections you're looking for!

Singapore Math is our number one choice for elementary math based on its solid presentation of concepts, mental math, and higher level thinking required through problem-solving. It just happens to be inexpensive as well, which is an added bonus. I agree that it has very little hands-on, which is why we've written our own hands-on lessons up through 2B. Once kiddos switch to 3A/3B, they are more ready to switch to textbook/workbook and to make the move from hands-on to pictorial representations (which is where Singapore's strength lies). Math choices are often like phonics choices in that there are many good solid math programs. However, when looking for reviews on any math program, you will find the reviews to be mixed. This is because which math program to use is, again, a matter of personal preference. Singapore continues to vie for top ranking among homeschoolers overall in the math area. It is a well-accepted program with a proven track record. :D

As we head into the middle school years, prior to Singapore 6A, we are recommending a switch to Teaching Textbooks. This is due to the rods system used in Singapore 6A/6B, which does not mesh well with the 'x' and 'y' approach to Algebra we use in the U.S. :wink:

Only you can know whether HOD is enough of a fit for you to continue down the HOD path or not. It sounds like much of the guide is meeting your needs well, which is a cause for celebration! If you do continue on with HOD, there will most likely be some other things along the way on which you may have a different opinion. The great part is that you are your child's teacher and can tweak those items that you choose. And who knows.... once in awhile you may even try those things that aren't your favorite at first and find you grow to like them on the journey. 8)

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by water2wine » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:15 am

I am guessing you are looking for ideas? I am not sure but thinking that is what you are after but hoping there will be something here you find helpful. :D Carrie did a wonderful job of explaining the resources she picked. I happen to love what is used but I am by nature a big tweaked. In the areas of phonics we have used, Sing Spell Read and write, First Reader, Alpha Phonics, Primary phonics, Ruth Beechick method on my own, and Scardey cat reading as well as The Reading Lesson. by far the Reading lesson was the easiest while still being thorough and effective. I have searched a lot because I have a child with special needs. We had recently tried Scardey Cat reading with her. I am not finding it easy to implement or better for her. By far my most favorite resource is The Reading lesson with CD. Just wanted to put that out there if you have not tried it. I have really looked into and used quite a few programs as well as done a lot on my own because my dd does have delays. I wish I had found The Reading Lesson a long time ago. With all we have on my shelf my two littlest use The Reading Lesson and love it. :D I think phonics programs are one of those things that can be individual. They depend on the student but I feel they really also depend quite a bit on the teacher as well. We all have different styles. Praying you find one that gives you peace in your school.

I think Carrie explained the math very well. We love Singapore for my two littlest ones and we will use it for as long as it is recommended. I have my older kids in TT now but when we started they were all using R&S. So Math is very flexible. I really recommend Singapore for the early years at least. It teaches them to really understand the math not just to do it. To give you an idea my six year old really understands quite a bit intuitively about multiplication and division because of Singapore but what is even more amazing is so does my four year old. I t really teaches them to think! :D But if you don't like it you can easily use whatever you want and and not have it hurt the program a bit. I love that HOD allows that kind of flexibility. Different kids sometimes do better in different programs. :D

On the other things. I think LHFHG is probably one of the most flexible of all HOD programs. There are many extra resources in the Appendix. 8) In fact to me LHFHG could easily be a two year program using all those resources. :shock: So certainly if you are looking to substitute stories and want more variety in the writing story the appendix should be more than enough. :D And what is wonderful is Carrie has linked up the extra resources by unit there so you can easily substitute whatever looks best to you knowing that these books were all prescreened carefully by Carrie for content. This has been such a blessing for us because it allows me to meet the needs of my 6 year old and 4 year old with the same program. I think if you look in there you should find many substitutes that will actually match the program as it was written and still provide the godly content you are looking to find.

Praying you find blessing and contentment in your homeschooling. Hope something here is helpful to you! :D
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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by mrsrandolph » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:35 am

I have written to Carrie several times in the past and find her to be very thoughtful in each choice she has made for HOD. This is obviously the case because when I was "researching" curricula, I could not find a single "needs improvement" review for any of HODs resources.

It is true that the guides encourage you in your choice of math and phonics. As the Author, Carrie should/would only include options that she feels work well. I would do the same. On the other hand, it is good to have some guidance in *which* programs to use for math and phonics if the ones offered don't work for you. Of course, there are curriculum guides and websites with many opinions.

Interestingly, I find very little negative said about Math U See, but it did not work for us. :roll:
I am terribly inept at math!

Carrie, I appreciate your willingness to always explain the logic behind your choices without offense. :) Sometimes that is all it takes to help a parent (and child) learn to like something they did not like at the outset.

Just as we were taught in school, kids need a rationale for what we are teaching them. We all need to know the whys in order to fully embrace new learning, and that is true for me as well! :D

I will say that one of the greatest benefit of HOD is that Carrie is "there". This board makes us a big family, and when that happens, your people are loyal to your product to the end. And this product deserves that loyalty.

I
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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by jewel7123 » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:42 am

Shannon, can you explain the "big flaws" in the Reading Lesson and Reading Made Easy programs? I am currently doing LHTH, but I am researching phonics programs and would like to hear why you think they aren't perfect. There are so many choices out there, it's pretty overwhelming! Another I'm looking at is Phonics Pathways. Do you know anything about it?
Jennifer in TX

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by netpea » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:09 pm

mrsrandolph wrote:I wish that we didn't just do Burgess stories. One reason is the type of dialect they use (accents & such) expose kids to SO much of the same type of writing. ( A Year's worth).

I totally get that we can ALSO read other books on our own time ... Miss Piggle Wiggle or The Hundred Dresses or Mr. Poppers Penguins. I would like to be told what to read and given suggestions for topics to discuss after each chapter...but...I would like more variety in authors & type of dialect used.

Additionally, I feel Reddy Fox needs some background information on characters. It is confusing to not know who they are.

I think this age group is still in need of really classic picture books as well...Mike Mulligan, A Chair For My Mother, Ferdinand, Tom Thumb, Tikki Tikki Tembo, and the like. These stories are GREAT for enriching retelling and (optional) enrichment projects.
As mentioned by Water2Wine - There is an appendix in the back with many suggestions for extra readings unit by unit as well as some references for additional literature that can be used over the whole year. If you include some of those references, you have a very full literature program. In every program after LHFHG, you will find the variety you are craving with a different genre each month, and the ability to tailor the book choices for each genre to your family.

As for reading Burgess for a year, that enables a child to grow in a way that skipping around in literature does not. The approach is very CM with short stories that leave the kids begging for more. At the end of the year, the child feels they KNOW these characters. We have gone on to read many other Burgess books as a result.

In every program after LHFHG, you will find the variety you are craving with a different genre each month, and the ability to tailor the book choices for each genre to your family.

In regards to your dislike of the math and phonics choices. We will not all agree on the best reading program. Personally I think The Reading Lesson is the #1 phonics program out there. But that's because it works for my kids, if it doesn't work for you, then you won't agree.

Carrie has always been accessible even prior to HOD having this wonderful website/message board. She has always bent over backwards to help parents choose a program that will work for their situation. I have been with HOD for 4 years and can witness to that, Carrie has helped me with decisions on how to tailor the programs when needed.

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by Carrie » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Shannon,

The ladies are doing a great job of talking through things with you! I just wanted to pop back before whisking off to finish my homeschool day to say how much I appreciate your heartfelt response! :D
Carrie, I appreciate your willingness to always explain the logic behind your choices without offense. Sometimes that is all it takes to help a parent (and child) learn to like something they did not like at the outset.

Just as we were taught in school, kids need a rationale for what we are teaching them. We all need to know the whys in order to fully embrace new learning, and that is true for me as well!
I agree that knowing the rationale behind why products were chosen makes it easier to understand those choices. I am thankful to be able to share our reasoning behind why we do what we do.

I agree that this board is like a family and that it is a privilege to share our lives with one another. I am always encouraged by the way things are discussed and handled on this board as Christ prevails in our words and actions. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by jewel7123 » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:27 pm

Carrie,
I know that with LHFHG we are free to use whatever Phonics program we like. However, can you tell me specifically why you chose Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson as your suggested Phonics Programs? Thanks
Jennifer in TX

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by my3sons » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:56 pm

Hi Shannon! I'm glad you are enjoying your HOD programs overall, and I think all of these wonderful posts have uncovered one of the real gems of HOD - and that is choice. It is so rare that you can tweak a program in the areas of your desire without ruining the program in its entirety. I love the way the boxes are designed in the HOD guides because it allows so much flexibility to sub in or change aspects of the program as you wish. The plans in these boxes even often suggest "use your own _______ program" (for reading, handwriting, Bible choice, etc.), and the introduction/website/catalog also mention that if you want to make a different choice in an area - by all means do so. That is rare. Most curriculum companies I've spoken to asking for advice (which btw I am usually not able to speak to the author), get a bit miffed or downright angry if I ask about switching this or that, or tweaking something a bit. Not so - with HOD! :D As you've so kindly said, the author answers calls and posts herself and is more than willing to help us come to a balance that will work best for each of our own unique situations.

With that being said, I've found I love the resource choices Carrie has made. If I've already read a resource she's suggested, there are usually still further recommendations in the Appendix. I think the choices suggested are wonderful. There are many moms happy with the phonics choices and Singapore math, and The Burgess Books are a personal favorite of mine - BUT, Carrie planned ahead for people who have different feelings about resources, and you've unearthed a real treasure in HOD. So, if you are wanting to use something else for phonics, math, and read-alouds - the happy news is you can easily do so and still keep using the rest of your HOD program with zero bumps in the road. Hooray! Enjoy looking for replacements if your heart so desires. :) There is nothing wrong with that if that is what you are wanting, and HOD even makes it easy for you to do. However, after the amount of research Carrie puts into her guides, it isn't feasible for her to come up with yet more choices when she's already spent sooo long picking what she considers best. It would be like asking someone for their 2 best apple pie recipes, and then wanting them to come up with 1 or 2 more. :wink: It just becomes easier for the person wanting a different pie recipe to enjoy searching one out. I love to cook - I am a huge recipe tweaker, and I also love seeking out new recipes, so I just had to throw that analogy out there! :lol: We're all friends here - so this is just a good healthy discussion, and I think we've had a good chat here about it. I hope you find replacements if that's what you are looking for, and enjoy using the rest that HOD has to offer! :)

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by my3sons » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:07 pm

jewel7123 wrote:Carrie,
I know that with LHFHG we are free to use whatever Phonics program we like. However, can you tell me specifically why you chose Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson as your suggested Phonics Programs? Thanks
Hi Jewel! Since Carrie injured her hand in a conveyer belt a few days ago and is having quite a bit of trouble typing (she probably shouldn't be at all :shock: ), I'm going to copy the catalog's explanation - though I'm sure you are desiring her answer more than this. :wink: I know she'll want to respond too, but maybe this along with what others have to say may be helpful in the meantime:

Phonics is an incredibly personal decision, so what Little Hearts for His Glory does for you is let you make that choice yourself! Two excellent phonics programs are suggested below. Both Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson are easy-to-use, include short planned lessons with interesting stories, and are economical. Both are very popular phonics programs and are used in homeschools everywhere – but if your heart is leading you toward a different phonics program, by all means, follow it, and choose that one instead!

The Reading Lesson:
This user-friendly phonics program includes 20 simple lessons that are approximately 20 pages each. For children under the age of 5, the authors recommend covering two to three pages per day. For children over the age of 6, the authors recommend covering three or more pages a day. They suggest that no longer than 5-7 minutes should be spent on a page, and lessons should be under fifteen minutes in length. A companion CD-ROM that follows the book is also available. (ages 4-7, $27.95 without the CD, or $49.95 with the CD)

Reading Made Easy:
This long-established phonics program includes 108 lessons and is fully scripted. The author recommends covering three 30 minute lessons each week with review between lessons. This plan allows your child to finish this program in a typical school year; however, the author firmly emphasizes the necessity of pacing the program as needed to help the child be successful. (ages 5-7 or older, $45.00)

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by Carrie » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:09 pm

Thanks so much for that my3sons! I think we were typing (or I was limping through typing at the same time)! :lol:

I agree that it's time for me to give the hand a rest after this! :wink:

Jewel 123,

When choosing Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson we looked at SO many factors that affect how well a phonics program works. We also sorted through the many methodologies out there, although I'd seen and read much already about the various methodologies during my 11 years of being doused in a big variety of phonics programs during my public school teaching days! :lol:

I'll be very up front in saying that if you are of the "writing as a way to learn to read" methodology or the "learn every phonics rule and drill it" methodology, then the two programs we carry will NOT suit you well. Then, you'd want to look at something like the Writing Road to Reading or the Orton-Gillingham method of phonics instruction instead. :D

Our philosophy is that writing can actually come much later than reading and that demanding a child's fine motor skills to keep up with the decoding skills needed to read can cause much frustration. Our own boys each read very early and wrote much later. Had I held them back waiting for them to write each word as it was read (or learned) would have made reading an overwhelming task at an early age.

Also, when teaching early readers we've discovered that knowing some rules in beneficial and using an eclectic approach to covering them works fine. Our experience is that not all children need to be able to recite every phonics rule in order to apply it. Many rules are just too tedious and have too many exceptions to be worth memorizing. For example, we used Alphabet Island for phonics/spelling with my first son, and while the rule coverage was amazingly complete, little of the rules were retained and his learning to actually read didn't come out of that experience. We had to use yet another program to teach that! However, we do believe in giving a thorough treatment to phonics, rather than stopping as soon as kiddos are reading quite well. Programs such as 100 Easy Lessons drop kiddos off before phonics is finished, leaving a parent to fill a gap by finishing out phonics on their own (which can be done easily but requires some creativity). :wink:

We chose Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson because we find the phonics coverage to be complete enough without being tedious. We find the combination of gentle introductions to the various rules applied right within the reading material gives kiddos an "I can do this" feeling. It gets them reading early in the lessons and keeps it entertaining without being overly flashly.

Both programs also work well with a Charlotte-Mason approach to short lessons that capitalize on kiddo's short attention spans. Both programs provide stories right within the guide, having Teacher's Guide and Student Book in one. This feature saves much time searching for developmentally appropriate books, since the reading material is already there.

It is also wonderful that each guide is just purely for phonics rather than throwing in all sorts of other language arts skills along with phonics. This keeps the focus on learning to read and allows the parent to move more quickly or slowly through the program without feeling like they may be missing other skills if they change the pace. We had used the Blue Book for LLATL with my oldest son early on and felt tied to its slow pace of learning to read due to the multiple other skills woven in the lessons. We had to abandon it for that reason. :wink:

Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson also transition very well into our Emerging Reader's Set, solving another difficult problem for parents. The question about what to do after phonics is easily answered by the HOD sequence from phonics program to Emerging Reader's Set to independent reading using Drawn into the Heart of Reading.

Reading Made Easy is more teacher intensive and The Reading Lesson is more open and go. Both make teaching your child to read something anyone can do, rather than requiring the parent to take a course first or wade through how much to do each day or how to pace the program. :D

Last. both of these programs come highly recommended by other homeschoolers and reviewers alike. Reading Made Easy is currently in Cathy Duffy's Top 100 Curriculum Picks. The Reading Lesson has won many awards as well. Both have been used to teach thousands of children to be good readers. My own mother (who was a first grade teacher for 25 years) really likes The Reading Lesson. She's read it cover to cover and was surprised at how well laid out it is. She's a tough critic! She also like Reading Made Easy, but thinks The Reading Lesson could easily be used by anyone! 8)

With all that being said, there are other good programs out there that work equally as well. The teaching style of the parent is just as important as the learning style of the child, when choosing a phonics program. If the parent is not inspired or doesn't feel confident with their choice, then the phonics program most likely won't get done.

In the end, we've discovered that the best program is one that consistently gets done in the day-to-day. The two phonics options we offer make that possible. While many phonics programs are wonderfully in depth or very full content-wise, if they just sit on the shelf because they're too overwhelming, the benefit is lost. :wink:

I hope this gives you some good areas to ponder when choosing a phonics program for your situation. Interestingly enough, most parents find that their second or third phonics option worked best, after struggling with their first option. In truth this is largely due to the child just being more mature and more ready to read by then, and also due to the fact that the child has some phonics instruction under their belt to draw on when heading it a second or third round of phonics! For those parents who only used one phonics option, celebrate!! You are VERY blessed! :lol:

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by SoaringEagle » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:02 pm

Thank you so much Carrie for what you wrote here. I am starting to see more that I don't need to use another phonics program once I finish The Reading Lesson. It has encouraged me to know that I am doing good by using TRL and my daughter is enjoying it for the most part.
Carrie wrote:Thanks so much for that my3sons! I think we were typing (or I was limping through typing at the same time)! :lol:

I agree that it's time for me to give the hand a rest after this! :wink:

Jewel 123,

When choosing Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson we looked at SO many factors that affect how well a phonics program works. We also sorted through the many methodologies out there, although I'd seen and read much already about the various methodologies during my 11 years of being doused in a big variety of phonics programs during my public school teaching days! :lol:

I'll be very up front in saying that if you are of the "writing as a way to learn to read" methodology or the "learn every phonics rule and drill it" methodology, then the two programs we carry will NOT suit you well. Then, you'd want to look at something like the Writing Road to Reading or the Orton-Gillingham method of phonics instruction instead. :D

Our philosophy is that writing can actually come much later than reading and that demanding a child's fine motor skills to keep up with the decoding skills needed to read can cause much frustration. Our own boys each read very early and wrote much later. Had I held them back waiting for them to write each word as it was read (or learned) would have made reading an overwhelming task at an early age.

Also, when teaching early readers we've discovered that knowing some rules in beneficial and using an eclectic approach to covering them works fine. Our experience is that not all children need to be able to recite every phonics rule in order to apply it. Many rules are just too tedious and have too many exceptions to be worth memorizing. For example, we used Alphabet Island for phonics/spelling with my first son, and while the rule coverage was amazingly complete, little of the rules were retained and his learning to actually read didn't come out of that experience. We had to use yet another program to teach that! However, we do believe in giving a thorough treatment to phonics, rather than stopping as soon as kiddos are reading quite well. Programs such as 100 Easy Lessons drop kiddos off before phonics is finished, leaving a parent to fill a gap by finishing out phonics on their own (which can be done easily but requires some creativity). :wink:

We chose Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson because we find the phonics coverage to be complete enough without being tedious. We find the combination of gentle introductions to the various rules applied right within the reading material gives kiddos an "I can do this" feeling. It gets them reading early in the lessons and keeps it entertaining without being overly flashly.

Both programs also work well with a Charlotte-Mason approach to short lessons that capitalize on kiddo's short attention spans. Both programs provide stories right within the guide, having Teacher's Guide and Student Book in one. This feature saves much time searching for developmentally appropriate books, since the reading material is already there.

It is also wonderful that each guide is just purely for phonics rather than throwing in all sorts of other language arts skills along with phonics. This keeps the focus on learning to read and allows the parent to move more quickly or slowly through the program without feeling like they may be missing other skills if they change the pace. We had used the Blue Book for LLATL with my oldest son early on and felt tied to its slow pace of learning to read due to the multiple other skills woven in the lessons. We had to abandon it for that reason. :wink:

Reading Made Easy and The Reading Lesson also transition very well into our Emerging Reader's Set, solving another difficult problem for parents. The question about what to do after phonics is easily answered by the HOD sequence from phonics program to Emerging Reader's Set to independent reading using Drawn into the Heart of Reading.

Reading Made Easy is more teacher intensive and The Reading Lesson is more open and go. Both make teaching your child to read something anyone can do, rather than requiring the parent to take a course first or wade through how much to do each day or how to pace the program. :D

Last. both of these programs come highly recommended by other homeschoolers and reviewers alike. Reading Made Easy is currently in Cathy Duffy's Top 100 Curriculum Picks. The Reading Lesson has won many awards as well. Both have been used to teach thousands of children to be good readers. My own mother (who was a first grade teacher for 25 years) really likes The Reading Lesson. She's read it cover to cover and was surprised at how well laid out it is. She's a tough critic! She also like Reading Made Easy, but thinks The Reading Lesson could easily be used by anyone! 8)

With all that being said, there are other good programs out there that work equally as well. The teaching style of the parent is just as important as the learning style of the child, when choosing a phonics program. If the parent is not inspired or doesn't feel confident with their choice, then the phonics program most likely won't get done.

In the end, we've discovered that the best program is one that consistently gets done in the day-to-day. The two phonics options we offer make that possible. While many phonics programs are wonderfully in depth or very full content-wise, if they just sit on the shelf because they're too overwhelming, the benefit is lost. :wink:

I hope this gives you some good areas to ponder when choosing a phonics program for your situation. Interestingly enough, most parents find that their second or third phonics option worked best, after struggling with their first option. In truth this is largely due to the child just being more mature and more ready to read by then, and also due to the fact that the child has some phonics instruction under their belt to draw on when heading it a second or third round of phonics! For those parents who only used one phonics option, celebrate!! You are VERY blessed! :lol:

Blessings,
Carrie
~Juli~
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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by my3sons » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:10 am

Jewel - I am wondering if you have had a chance to read Carrie's post here? I didn't want you to miss this because I think it was so kind and thoughtful of her to take the time to give this thorough response, and with an injured hand on top of it! :D

In Christ,
Julie :)
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Re: Kinda Sorta Don't Like...

Post by Carrie » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:06 pm

SoaringEagle,

I'm so glad that my post helped explain our reasoning and the path from phonics to Emerging Reader to independent reading with DITHR! Feel confident that what you are doing with The Reading Lesson will prepare your sweetie well for the Emerging Reader's Set. :D Many moms before you have followed the same path successfully! :wink:

Blessings,
Carrie

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