Science for STEM Students
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Again, what about looking at HOD's High School science options and see if any of those would fit. Granted, only 2 of them are currently out but I know in the "beefing up for high school" posts people also talk about what they use. Those are stand-alone programs that are not connected with the rest of the HOD materials. Are there any co op science classes, and would those count toward state college requirements? I know in this area (and I live in a smaller city, not a big Metro area) there is Physics and Chemistry offered by homeschooling moms who happen to have science degrees and teach to the rest of the HS kids.
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MelInKansas wrote:Again, what about looking at HOD's High School science options and see if any of those would fit. Granted, only 2 of them are currently out but I know in the "beefing up for high school" posts people also talk about what they use. Those are stand-alone programs that are not connected with the rest of the HOD materials. Are there any co op science classes, and would those count toward state college requirements? I know in this area (and I live in a smaller city, not a big Metro area) there is Physics and Chemistry offered by homeschooling moms who happen to have science degrees and teach to the rest of the HS kids.
I looked at the current science options. Perhaps I will need to have ds do the science in an upper guide, while completing the work in his main guide (ex. Next school year he will be in RTR so have him do the advanced science in Rev to Rev or MTMM). Or, as you mentioned above, I can beef up the science in the guide he is currently in. I'm not sure how to beef up the science in RTR so suggestions are welcomed. Of course, if we do science using a HOD guide that is one or two years ahead of where he is, this means he will run out of HOD science options sooner but we can cross that road when we get there. Right now I am just concerned with next school year, since I like to purchase materials in January and February.
Co-op classes are still considered normal homeschool science, since typically they are not completed in a state of the art lab, but rather someone's house (at least that is how it is here). When ds reaches high school, he will probably have to enroll in a college to take all of his sciences. I am not too thrilled with this idea simply because the curriculum will be secular, and he will still be pretty young if he has to dual enroll beginning his freshman year. Again, I have plenty of time to think about all of that. Right now I need to decide what to do for science for next school year so I can place my order

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Thanks for your reply, Loving Jesus! It was very helpful!!LovingJesus wrote: HOD science does Physical in 9th grade and Biology in 10th. The only thing I would say is that if you have a serious STEM student you want HS Physical in 8th, Biology 9th, Chemistry 10th with strong amounts of Algebra, Physics 11th, and an AP science in 12th. You also want Algebra I in 8th, Algebra II in 9th, Geometry in 10th, Pre-Calculus in 11th, and Calculus in 12th. Thus, you end up with two AP classes in science and math before the end of HS and would be competitive for entering science departments and engineering departments on the campuses of your choice. It would keep your options open to whatever type of school you and your son pray fully found to be best. So I don't know how that would look with HOD for you if you backed their science up a year.
For a STEM student I would just recommend pulling a year ahead of HOD scope and sequence starting in 8th.
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In the meantime, I will look more closely into using the science from a HOD guide that is one or two years ahead. Thanks again!
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Here are two ideas. One, I would see if the Landry Academy intensives would work for your lab needs. I know families here that have used them, and they are good quality. I know they have a physical science, a chemistry, and a biology one. They are two full days where the kids do basically a full year's worth of labs in a real lab.
Another option is to wait until the senior year to do the dual enrollment, using HOD science for the other 3 years. In one year, you could probably get two science credits, one per semester. Personally, I don't find much in physics and chemistry that could be questionable on the secular/Christian debate. I don't know if I will ever suggest my kids take biology at a secular university, but I have no issues with chemistry and physics. Those are the two sciences most colleges want to see on transcripts as well for any non-medical STEM field.
Another option is to wait until the senior year to do the dual enrollment, using HOD science for the other 3 years. In one year, you could probably get two science credits, one per semester. Personally, I don't find much in physics and chemistry that could be questionable on the secular/Christian debate. I don't know if I will ever suggest my kids take biology at a secular university, but I have no issues with chemistry and physics. Those are the two sciences most colleges want to see on transcripts as well for any non-medical STEM field.
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Yes HOD will prepare your child for STEM. My son loves science and has always enjoyed studying science. We have used HOD science as is. We have added to science because that is his interest. Each child has different interests so through the years I have added music, theater, art, karate, and science. The method that HOD teaches science is what has been a Treasure. Each guide has built upon child's knowledge and method. One gem, since a treasure, is comparing it to Scripture. In the secular world you can't do that, but as a homeschooler we can. Studying science with Scripture as your compass will matter for eternity which ultimately is where I want my treasure. God can do so much more when I focus on Him so that if I try to please the World's standards my success is in the World. God truly does care for His creation and has created our unique desires. I would hesitate to spend the precious few years in secular science to please a system that we don't know what will happen in the future.
Another gem of HOD science that prepares for STEM is the 4 day variety of science. Notebook page, oral narration answering questions and labs has multiple levels of true learning. This learning is a more difficult learning than just answer some questions with only 1 right answer. The child has to truly think during each day. The process of completing a lab is complex. Most curriculum have only a lab. In HOD the child does lab after they have guessed on a question. The lab then explores whether their guess is correct. A true scientist has a hypothesis, or guess, and then experiments to determine if correct guess/hypothesis. Another curriculum I have used has child and you do lab. No hupothesis. Answer included in TM so there is no need to do lab according to my child. There is no true scientific thinking with this method. During oral narration child tells you what is interesting to them and what they learned. I love knowing about my children, because introverts don't tell you unless you ask. I treasure these m moments. The questions asked have you compare knowledge to Scripture. That has eternal consequences as Bible is stored in our hearts. Notebooking has a Bible verse to store in our hearts.
Our world needs more creation scientist. If we allow the world to eliminate God from our science study we will prevent creation scientists to study. Perhaps you may be thinking that I need to be more practical and realistic, but I choose God. My life has had persecution, trials, and difficulty but God. It has been challenging to support a daughter in theater and a Christian. God has provided. I believe the same is true for a scientist.
I also think that we can burn those candles out before college by doing too much. Sometimes an interest is not a passion. 3 hours of music for two years for interest not passion. No longer practices music. Formal curriculum can squelch a passion. HOD science has balance for skills, time, skill, and learning. I have learned balance is key to me getting it done and my student maintaining interest.
If your son has a desire to pursuit science and it is his God created passion it will happen.
Another gem of HOD science that prepares for STEM is the 4 day variety of science. Notebook page, oral narration answering questions and labs has multiple levels of true learning. This learning is a more difficult learning than just answer some questions with only 1 right answer. The child has to truly think during each day. The process of completing a lab is complex. Most curriculum have only a lab. In HOD the child does lab after they have guessed on a question. The lab then explores whether their guess is correct. A true scientist has a hypothesis, or guess, and then experiments to determine if correct guess/hypothesis. Another curriculum I have used has child and you do lab. No hupothesis. Answer included in TM so there is no need to do lab according to my child. There is no true scientific thinking with this method. During oral narration child tells you what is interesting to them and what they learned. I love knowing about my children, because introverts don't tell you unless you ask. I treasure these m moments. The questions asked have you compare knowledge to Scripture. That has eternal consequences as Bible is stored in our hearts. Notebooking has a Bible verse to store in our hearts.
Our world needs more creation scientist. If we allow the world to eliminate God from our science study we will prevent creation scientists to study. Perhaps you may be thinking that I need to be more practical and realistic, but I choose God. My life has had persecution, trials, and difficulty but God. It has been challenging to support a daughter in theater and a Christian. God has provided. I believe the same is true for a scientist.
I also think that we can burn those candles out before college by doing too much. Sometimes an interest is not a passion. 3 hours of music for two years for interest not passion. No longer practices music. Formal curriculum can squelch a passion. HOD science has balance for skills, time, skill, and learning. I have learned balance is key to me getting it done and my student maintaining interest.
If your son has a desire to pursuit science and it is his God created passion it will happen.
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Carrie, could you please weigh in on this subject? Obviously, one curriculum can not be made to meet all needs of all students. I know my daughter will do great and enjoy the sciences you've selected. But, highschool is tricky, it's preparing kids for the next step I'm not sure if this is right for my son. If we have STEM kids, would we use the science listed? As is or supplement? Or since this is a specific track we want our kids on, should we use something else?
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I forgot to share my Chemistry experiences. In high school we did labs with fire and chemicals. My friend grabbed the heating element while hot. It stuck to her hand, leaving a coil scar. In college Chemistry, the professor was thrilled to show how sturdy the new glass shield was so he punched it. We gasped as thousands of pieces shattered to the ground. So even in these environments safety and correct procedures are important.
I have found that some colleges won't accept work, classes. One university said that they don't accept college credit that was completed while student was in high school. If student could complete the work in high school it wasn't college worthy. Sometimes we need to fund alternative universities if they don't accept what we have done. That was my experience and by allowing God to plan our steps and continue on our path of homeschooling wonderful opportunities have happened.
in our state we have opportunities to take college classes in high school. We chose to not take Biology because of its heavy emphasis on evolution. We can take science classes at our Christian University. Those are opportunities I believe can happen. We have purchased Chemistry kits for my son and he enjoys completing the labs. Our Co op has lab sciences. If as you prepare transcripts and ponder classes it is important that it has the depth of study you desire.
I have found that some colleges won't accept work, classes. One university said that they don't accept college credit that was completed while student was in high school. If student could complete the work in high school it wasn't college worthy. Sometimes we need to fund alternative universities if they don't accept what we have done. That was my experience and by allowing God to plan our steps and continue on our path of homeschooling wonderful opportunities have happened.
in our state we have opportunities to take college classes in high school. We chose to not take Biology because of its heavy emphasis on evolution. We can take science classes at our Christian University. Those are opportunities I believe can happen. We have purchased Chemistry kits for my son and he enjoys completing the labs. Our Co op has lab sciences. If as you prepare transcripts and ponder classes it is important that it has the depth of study you desire.
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I am not sure if you are using R2R right now or not. And I am not sure which grade you are using it for. I do think that the HOD is solid as is whether you are using it for 6th or 7th grade. I also don't necessarily believe that more volume of learning is going to equate to the same volume of retention. But if you wanted to increase the volume of learning in R2R, you could always have your child also complete the Option 2 science along with the Option 1 science. You could just spread the option 2 over the entire year 3 days per week. The way the AIG books work is there are different levels of work to complete. You could have your child complete the level 1 and 2 portion on day 1 and 2 and then complete the experiment on either day 3 or 4 of the HOD guide. Then for next year when your son moves into the Rev to Rev guide, just complete the advanced level instead of the intermediate level. For MTMM, add in the Chemistry 101 DVDs and modify it as if you were treating it like High School Credit. You wouldn't need to modify WG or WH at all because both of those are strong classes. I don't feel comfortable at this point making any comments though about the last two guides because they aren't published so I am not sure of the recommendations yet for those levels. But there were just a few thoughts I had that might increase the time you spend on science each day if you are thinking that is what you are wanting to do.mothermayi? wrote:I looked at the current science options. Perhaps I will need to have ds do the science in an upper guide, while completing the work in his main guide (ex. Next school year he will be in RTR so have him do the advanced science in Rev to Rev or MTMM). Or, as you mentioned above, I can beef up the science in the guide he is currently in. I'm not sure how to beef up the science in RTR so suggestions are welcomed. Of course, if we do science using a HOD guide that is one or two years ahead of where he is, this means he will run out of HOD science options sooner but we can cross that road when we get there. Right now I am just concerned with next school year, since I like to purchase materials in January and February.
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We aren't looking to necessarily increase volume and do two different science programs at the same time such as both science options in RTR. I do like your idea of using the advanced EE science in Rev 2 Rev in 7th grade, and Chem 101 DVDs along with the scheduled science in MTMM in 8th. The issue then would become the science in WG. If a STEM kid needs Bio, Chem, Phys, plus one advanced science for college, it seems the integrated physics/chemistry scheduled in WG would throw us off. But I like what mumkins suggested for this. She said to have the kid work one year ahead in science, so we could do that in high school. What are the cons of doing this considering the student would have completed advanced physical science in 7th, chemistry + chem 101 in 8th? Is it really necessary to do an integrated physics/chemistry course in 9th?
I looked into the Landry Intensives and my kid would LOVE that! Thanks for the heads up, as I hadn't heard of it before. It would be great to include it on ds's transcripts!
All of this chat about books is making me excited to order for next year
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I looked into the Landry Intensives and my kid would LOVE that! Thanks for the heads up, as I hadn't heard of it before. It would be great to include it on ds's transcripts!
All of this chat about books is making me excited to order for next year

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Re: Science for STEM Students
Ladies,
I'll just begin by saying that this has truly been a wonderful thread to read, with much wisdom and encouragement found within the posts. I am truly blessed to be surrounded with women such as yourselves with whom to travel this homeschool path!
As we look at how to approach science, and we strive to face our ever-changing scientific world, there are many things to ponder. One incredibly important focus, which I believe is often overlooked, is that our heavenly Father is the designer, creator, and inventor of all things that science encompasses. To leave him out of the equation, as we pursue scientific knowledge does not honor the Creator. If we do not honor our Creator, how can we expect Him to honor our scientific efforts? In thinking along these lines, I certainly realize that many scientists have not been Christians (or believers in God for that matter). Yet, in looking at the lives of Christian scientists and their discoveries, it is amazing to see how God blessed them in areas where their knowledge was lacking. Yet, for these men and women, God provided the means to learn needed scientific concepts, the opportunity to test and try their theories (often in less than stellar "labs"), and the wondering mind that led to thinking "outside of the box." These things combined to provide new scientific breakthroughs and understanding.
So, as a parent, in looking at my children, I deeply desire for them to have a Creator-centered scientific background. Since the world is filled with secular science opportunities, I look at my role as a homeschool educator as a moment to provide my children with something different than that which the world offers. Does this mean that we will not study or learn about secular scientiests or that "any" books that do not have a Christian focus will not be included? Of course this is not the case. However, I do believe that as much respect and awe for our Creator that can be taught within a strong science path, should be included so that science and our Creator go together.
Next, I believe that science is much more than a body of knowledge or facts. It is about living, breathing people and how their life experiences led them to new ideas and solutions. It is about solving real problems. Science is for everybody, not just for the STEM students. It surrounds us everyday and should fascinate all of us because it fascinates our Creator. While some kiddos are defintely more scientifically oriented, all kiddos can benefit from learning to love and enjoy science. So, this is another goal of mind through HOD Science. Often kiddos begin to shut down in science in high school, as those who love it are separated from those who just get through it. It doesn't need to be that way, and we seek to avoid that pitfall.
I also believe that kiddos who are science-oriented are gifted by the Lord in that trait. This doesn't mean that those types of kiddos need to be doused with more textbook learning or harder math equations or be forced to slog through harder and harder science at younger and younger ages. Instead it means that if it is truly a gifting (or a passion) rather than an interest, it will remain and gain strength in spite of what you do to encourage or discourage this bent. So, why not encourage it? My advice is that prior to high school, kiddos who are in the target age range of each HOD guide, should do the science as written in that guide. Since the middle school guides are 4 day plans, this leaves an entire day free to pursue your child's interests and passions every week. So, pursue them! For science-minded kiddos, pursue lab kits, science books, science dvds, etc. Michael Faraday read a science encyclopedia. It doesn't have to be flashy, if your child is driven in this area.
If your child is on the upper target range, or extension range of our guides, you can entertain the thought of using the next HOD Guide's science each year. This is often what we suggest for those outside of the target age range of the guide.
As your child gets to high school, I still believe that the path HOD has planned for science is a strong one. Doing IPC followed by Biology and Chemistry (with each being a lab science is a very good science path). As you approach your child's final year(s) of high school it becomes more important to keep in mind that which science-related field your child is interested in career-wise will dictate which sciences are most helpful. For example, an engineering student would want physics and probably an advanced course in either Chemistry (especially if he was going into chemical engineering) and/or Physics. Medical-related fields such as nursing or being a doctor would instead want advanced biology, a deeper anatomy, or statistics as part of their science-related coursework, instead of physics. As you can see, the area of science your student is desiring to pursue can result in differences as to the coursework that is most helpful, and usually near the end of a student's path in high school, he/she will have a bit better idea of what specialty areas to pursue. Additionally, keeping a STEM child going with a strong math path in high school is just as important as the science path, so always be looking at the math to make sure it is keeping up with the science.
One thing to keep in mind too is that science-focused students often end up double-dipping their sciences in their final two years of high school, simply because they love that field so much. So, it doesn't hurt to wait a bit as high school progresses to see where your child's true passion lies instead of front-loading all of the sciences at the expense of doing a poor job in other needed subject areas. Remember that just because your child thinks he/she wants to go into a STEM related career, it doesn't mean that he/she won't need skills in the myriad of other subjects that a high school education is meant to provide.
Otherwise, he/she will struggle in college (or in life) in the generals required as a part of any degree.
One final thought is that while it is fine and good to have some advanced coursework on your transcript in science as your child heads off to college, often your child will still be well-served by taking the regular science option at college anyway prior to going into advanced levels of science at college. For example, even if your child is going into chemical engineering, it is a good idea to take regular chemistry as a freshman in college. This is because it is good to have a review of needed subject matter prior to getting into a specific field, it is helpful to have the college's version of the foundational coursework they are assuming students have had, and it is good for a student's GPA not to jump into super-rigorous coursework right away while still getting used to college.
So, this takes some pressure off to test out of science courses as there are definite benefits to following a bit more traditional path at the start of college.
I share all of this to say that there definitely is not a one-size fits all path for science! We honestly have to look at each child and find our way. But I do feel that you can follow the HOD path for science (and just add outside opportunities that suit your child) a long way down the science path. The final two years of high school seem to me to be the time to hone in on a child's interests no matter what they may be. Prior to that I think opportunities that feed our kiddos interests can be done on their free 5th day each week.
In the end, as the parent, you will know best what your child needs as he/she matures. However, kiddos can often change their interests as they are exposed to new areas, which is something that the HOD guides provide. In jumping off the plan early on, you may be making things more difficult for yourself in future years by forcing modfications to the plans that aren't really needed. I can definitely see that by the time my boys are juniors and seniors, I can start to see more clearly what they may be headed toward doing. Yet, often in college things change, so we need to provide our kiddos an academically strong, Biblically rich foundation that will readily prepare them for what God has in store for them... and then we need to let God take care of the rest!
Blessings,
Carrie
I'll just begin by saying that this has truly been a wonderful thread to read, with much wisdom and encouragement found within the posts. I am truly blessed to be surrounded with women such as yourselves with whom to travel this homeschool path!

As we look at how to approach science, and we strive to face our ever-changing scientific world, there are many things to ponder. One incredibly important focus, which I believe is often overlooked, is that our heavenly Father is the designer, creator, and inventor of all things that science encompasses. To leave him out of the equation, as we pursue scientific knowledge does not honor the Creator. If we do not honor our Creator, how can we expect Him to honor our scientific efforts? In thinking along these lines, I certainly realize that many scientists have not been Christians (or believers in God for that matter). Yet, in looking at the lives of Christian scientists and their discoveries, it is amazing to see how God blessed them in areas where their knowledge was lacking. Yet, for these men and women, God provided the means to learn needed scientific concepts, the opportunity to test and try their theories (often in less than stellar "labs"), and the wondering mind that led to thinking "outside of the box." These things combined to provide new scientific breakthroughs and understanding.

So, as a parent, in looking at my children, I deeply desire for them to have a Creator-centered scientific background. Since the world is filled with secular science opportunities, I look at my role as a homeschool educator as a moment to provide my children with something different than that which the world offers. Does this mean that we will not study or learn about secular scientiests or that "any" books that do not have a Christian focus will not be included? Of course this is not the case. However, I do believe that as much respect and awe for our Creator that can be taught within a strong science path, should be included so that science and our Creator go together.

Next, I believe that science is much more than a body of knowledge or facts. It is about living, breathing people and how their life experiences led them to new ideas and solutions. It is about solving real problems. Science is for everybody, not just for the STEM students. It surrounds us everyday and should fascinate all of us because it fascinates our Creator. While some kiddos are defintely more scientifically oriented, all kiddos can benefit from learning to love and enjoy science. So, this is another goal of mind through HOD Science. Often kiddos begin to shut down in science in high school, as those who love it are separated from those who just get through it. It doesn't need to be that way, and we seek to avoid that pitfall.
I also believe that kiddos who are science-oriented are gifted by the Lord in that trait. This doesn't mean that those types of kiddos need to be doused with more textbook learning or harder math equations or be forced to slog through harder and harder science at younger and younger ages. Instead it means that if it is truly a gifting (or a passion) rather than an interest, it will remain and gain strength in spite of what you do to encourage or discourage this bent. So, why not encourage it? My advice is that prior to high school, kiddos who are in the target age range of each HOD guide, should do the science as written in that guide. Since the middle school guides are 4 day plans, this leaves an entire day free to pursue your child's interests and passions every week. So, pursue them! For science-minded kiddos, pursue lab kits, science books, science dvds, etc. Michael Faraday read a science encyclopedia. It doesn't have to be flashy, if your child is driven in this area.

If your child is on the upper target range, or extension range of our guides, you can entertain the thought of using the next HOD Guide's science each year. This is often what we suggest for those outside of the target age range of the guide.

As your child gets to high school, I still believe that the path HOD has planned for science is a strong one. Doing IPC followed by Biology and Chemistry (with each being a lab science is a very good science path). As you approach your child's final year(s) of high school it becomes more important to keep in mind that which science-related field your child is interested in career-wise will dictate which sciences are most helpful. For example, an engineering student would want physics and probably an advanced course in either Chemistry (especially if he was going into chemical engineering) and/or Physics. Medical-related fields such as nursing or being a doctor would instead want advanced biology, a deeper anatomy, or statistics as part of their science-related coursework, instead of physics. As you can see, the area of science your student is desiring to pursue can result in differences as to the coursework that is most helpful, and usually near the end of a student's path in high school, he/she will have a bit better idea of what specialty areas to pursue. Additionally, keeping a STEM child going with a strong math path in high school is just as important as the science path, so always be looking at the math to make sure it is keeping up with the science.

One thing to keep in mind too is that science-focused students often end up double-dipping their sciences in their final two years of high school, simply because they love that field so much. So, it doesn't hurt to wait a bit as high school progresses to see where your child's true passion lies instead of front-loading all of the sciences at the expense of doing a poor job in other needed subject areas. Remember that just because your child thinks he/she wants to go into a STEM related career, it doesn't mean that he/she won't need skills in the myriad of other subjects that a high school education is meant to provide.


One final thought is that while it is fine and good to have some advanced coursework on your transcript in science as your child heads off to college, often your child will still be well-served by taking the regular science option at college anyway prior to going into advanced levels of science at college. For example, even if your child is going into chemical engineering, it is a good idea to take regular chemistry as a freshman in college. This is because it is good to have a review of needed subject matter prior to getting into a specific field, it is helpful to have the college's version of the foundational coursework they are assuming students have had, and it is good for a student's GPA not to jump into super-rigorous coursework right away while still getting used to college.

I share all of this to say that there definitely is not a one-size fits all path for science! We honestly have to look at each child and find our way. But I do feel that you can follow the HOD path for science (and just add outside opportunities that suit your child) a long way down the science path. The final two years of high school seem to me to be the time to hone in on a child's interests no matter what they may be. Prior to that I think opportunities that feed our kiddos interests can be done on their free 5th day each week.

In the end, as the parent, you will know best what your child needs as he/she matures. However, kiddos can often change their interests as they are exposed to new areas, which is something that the HOD guides provide. In jumping off the plan early on, you may be making things more difficult for yourself in future years by forcing modfications to the plans that aren't really needed. I can definitely see that by the time my boys are juniors and seniors, I can start to see more clearly what they may be headed toward doing. Yet, often in college things change, so we need to provide our kiddos an academically strong, Biblically rich foundation that will readily prepare them for what God has in store for them... and then we need to let God take care of the rest!

Blessings,
Carrie
Re: Science for STEM Students
[quote="Carrie"]Ladies,
I'll just begin by saying that this has truly been a wonderful thread to read, with much wisdom and encouragement found within the posts. I am truly blessed to be surrounded with women such as yourselves with whom to travel this homeschool path!
As we look at how to approach science, and we strive to face our ever-changing scientific world, there are many things to ponder. One incredibly important focus, which I believe is often overlooked, is that our heavenly Father is the designer, creator, and inventor of all things that science encompasses. To leave him out of the equation, as we pursue scientific knowledge does not honor the Creator. If we do not honor our Creator, how can we expect Him to honor our scientific efforts? In thinking along these lines, I certainly realize that many scientists have not been Christians (or believers in God for that matter). Yet, in looking at the lives of Christian scientists and their discoveries, it is amazing to see how God blessed them in areas where their knowledge was lacking. Yet, for these men and women, God provided the means to learn needed scientific concepts, the opportunity to test and try their theories (often in less than stellar "labs"), and the wondering mind that led to thinking "outside of the box." These things combined to provide new scientific breakthroughs and understanding.
So, as a parent, in looking at my children, I deeply desire for them to have a Creator-centered scientific background. Since the world is filled with secular science opportunities, I look at my role as a homeschool educator as a moment to provide my children with something different than that which the world offers. Does this mean that we will not study or learn about secular scientists or that "any" books that do not have a Christian focus will not be included? Of course this is not the case. However, I do believe that as much respect and awe for our Creator that can be taught within a strong science path, should be included so that science and our Creator go together.
This is what I have always appreciated about HOD.
I do not have a child who will become a STEM student, but I was reading through some of this. Carrie shows so much wisdom in keeping Christ at the forefront of the education of her children. Having a child who struggles has really helped me to focus more on her spiritual welfare, and I know I'm safe with HOD and can count on it assisting me in this job that we as parents have been called to do. Academics are fine when they are under the standard of God's Word. I know this is off topic, but I just wanted to say that I really appreciated what Carrie said here. 
I'll just begin by saying that this has truly been a wonderful thread to read, with much wisdom and encouragement found within the posts. I am truly blessed to be surrounded with women such as yourselves with whom to travel this homeschool path!

As we look at how to approach science, and we strive to face our ever-changing scientific world, there are many things to ponder. One incredibly important focus, which I believe is often overlooked, is that our heavenly Father is the designer, creator, and inventor of all things that science encompasses. To leave him out of the equation, as we pursue scientific knowledge does not honor the Creator. If we do not honor our Creator, how can we expect Him to honor our scientific efforts? In thinking along these lines, I certainly realize that many scientists have not been Christians (or believers in God for that matter). Yet, in looking at the lives of Christian scientists and their discoveries, it is amazing to see how God blessed them in areas where their knowledge was lacking. Yet, for these men and women, God provided the means to learn needed scientific concepts, the opportunity to test and try their theories (often in less than stellar "labs"), and the wondering mind that led to thinking "outside of the box." These things combined to provide new scientific breakthroughs and understanding.

So, as a parent, in looking at my children, I deeply desire for them to have a Creator-centered scientific background. Since the world is filled with secular science opportunities, I look at my role as a homeschool educator as a moment to provide my children with something different than that which the world offers. Does this mean that we will not study or learn about secular scientists or that "any" books that do not have a Christian focus will not be included? Of course this is not the case. However, I do believe that as much respect and awe for our Creator that can be taught within a strong science path, should be included so that science and our Creator go together.

This is what I have always appreciated about HOD.


I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. III John 4
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Re: Science for STEM Students
Thanks so much for sharing your heart and wisdom in this area. I think we will stick with your science.
I'm still not sure how to proceed in getting my son all the credits he needs though. We have grade 9 and 10 science integrated, covering a bit of all the sciences. Then in both grades 11 and 12, you take regular or advanced, each of the 3 sciences. So if you do all the sciences, you end up with 8 science credits. Though, I see what you're saying about choosing your specialty. My son wants to be in engineering or robtics, so, advanced biology isn't that important.
Would it be crazy to do:
9- IPC
10-biology and chemistry
11- physics from last guide (it'll be out by then)
12- advanced Chem and advanced physics (being non Americans, we could perhaps skip US history, though I was planning on doing it still)
Or, maybe even do IPC in grade 8, then do:
9- biology and Chemistry
10- physics
11-advanced chemistry
12- advanced physics
I'm still not sure how to proceed in getting my son all the credits he needs though. We have grade 9 and 10 science integrated, covering a bit of all the sciences. Then in both grades 11 and 12, you take regular or advanced, each of the 3 sciences. So if you do all the sciences, you end up with 8 science credits. Though, I see what you're saying about choosing your specialty. My son wants to be in engineering or robtics, so, advanced biology isn't that important.
Would it be crazy to do:
9- IPC
10-biology and chemistry
11- physics from last guide (it'll be out by then)
12- advanced Chem and advanced physics (being non Americans, we could perhaps skip US history, though I was planning on doing it still)
Or, maybe even do IPC in grade 8, then do:
9- biology and Chemistry
10- physics
11-advanced chemistry
12- advanced physics
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Re: Science for STEM Students
Mumkins,
I am not familiar with Canadian requirements, however in looking toward an integrated science approach if you follow the path within HOD there is "some" integration in the sciences. For example, if you did Integrated Physics and Chemistry in grade 9 that would be an integrated science. Also, if you did Biology in Grade 10 as scheduled within the HOD guide, you would cover Biology and Anatomy and Physiology within that program. You would also do Health that year as well, so together that is several integration of several sciences that go together well. Then, you could go on and do Chemistry in Grade 11 and an advanced science of choice in Grade 12. It is tough to do all areas of science in an integrated fashion beyond that without heading toward a more unit study approach and away from traditional materials (at least in the U.S.). I would check to be sure how much integration is required and if specific sciences are named. Be sure to check with the proper place, as here in the U.S. typically college entrance requirements matter more than high school graduation requirements (for homeschool students). The same may or may not be true in Canada.
Blessings,
Carrie
I am not familiar with Canadian requirements, however in looking toward an integrated science approach if you follow the path within HOD there is "some" integration in the sciences. For example, if you did Integrated Physics and Chemistry in grade 9 that would be an integrated science. Also, if you did Biology in Grade 10 as scheduled within the HOD guide, you would cover Biology and Anatomy and Physiology within that program. You would also do Health that year as well, so together that is several integration of several sciences that go together well. Then, you could go on and do Chemistry in Grade 11 and an advanced science of choice in Grade 12. It is tough to do all areas of science in an integrated fashion beyond that without heading toward a more unit study approach and away from traditional materials (at least in the U.S.). I would check to be sure how much integration is required and if specific sciences are named. Be sure to check with the proper place, as here in the U.S. typically college entrance requirements matter more than high school graduation requirements (for homeschool students). The same may or may not be true in Canada.
Blessings,
Carrie
Re: Science for STEM Students
It's just grade 9 and 10 that are integrated. They are mandatory to graduate, therefore giving all students some highschool level science knowledge in all fields, even if they do not wish to pursue science any further. I'm not so much worried about that as the facts that there are two chemistry, two biology and two physics credits that can be taken here, between grades 11 and 12. I have no idea how to pull that off. Here, courses are 1 semester long, 110 hours each. So, it'd be easy to do chemistry 1st semester and physics 2nd semester, both years. Plus biology too, if inclined. Somehow, I need to show 220 hours of science study in each of the feilds. I'm willing to let biology be just one credit I think, as it's not that important in his field.
Our math is all Integrated too. Up til calculus. There is no Canadian highschool math on the market, to my knowledge, so, we're just going to have to do it algebra, geometry, etc.
One university I checked with wants a transcript for grades 10-12, a list of materials used with publishers, especially math and science, an SAT or ACT score sent directly to them, a portfolio of their work, a graded grade 12 essay and a letter on why they were homeschooled.
To apply to university here, from highschool, they only look at your grade 12 average. Seems like so many hoops to jump through as a homeschooler.
Our math is all Integrated too. Up til calculus. There is no Canadian highschool math on the market, to my knowledge, so, we're just going to have to do it algebra, geometry, etc.
One university I checked with wants a transcript for grades 10-12, a list of materials used with publishers, especially math and science, an SAT or ACT score sent directly to them, a portfolio of their work, a graded grade 12 essay and a letter on why they were homeschooled.
To apply to university here, from highschool, they only look at your grade 12 average. Seems like so many hoops to jump through as a homeschooler.
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Re: Science for STEM Students
Mumkins,
I am thinking as I read through your post that in using the HOD Science path laid out thus far you would be quite close to what you need, if I am reading what you shared right.
For example, doing Integrated Physics and Chemistry would give you the equivalent of a semester of chemistry and a semester of physics in an integrated fashion. So that takes care of the semester needed for each of those sciences there. Then, in your grade 11 year, your student would have a full year of Chemistry (which is 2 more semesters of chemistry there giving you the needed 220+ hours when added with the previous semester of chemistry). If you did Physics as a senior that would give your student the remaining needed physics coursework of 2 more semesters in that area (giving you the needed 220+ hours in physics and 3 semesters of physics when added with the previous semester of physics). It would also cover an advanced coursework need. Then, you would have your year of Biology in grade 10 (and since the Biology we schedule includes coursework on Anatomy and Physiology within it that adds an integration in that science field) earning 2 semesters of Biology credit, plus students take an additional semester of Health with that HOD guide too. In essence, this gives you 3 semesters of work in that science field and earns your needed 220+ hours in Biology-related fields (Biology, Anatomy and Physiology, and Health). So, by graduation you would have your science semesters and hours covered.
If by his junior and senior year, he's showing specific sustained interest in a certain field, he could add another advanced science course that suits that field, such as advanced chemistry or advanced physics thus double-dipping his sciences one or two years prior to graduation. But, he wouldn't need to do this to earn his needed credits in science, rather it would be done for scholarship purposes or for college entrance requirements for his chosen science-related major. This will be more apparent as he selects which university to attend and can see what their specific requirements are for his field of study.
Blessings,
Carrie
I am thinking as I read through your post that in using the HOD Science path laid out thus far you would be quite close to what you need, if I am reading what you shared right.


If by his junior and senior year, he's showing specific sustained interest in a certain field, he could add another advanced science course that suits that field, such as advanced chemistry or advanced physics thus double-dipping his sciences one or two years prior to graduation. But, he wouldn't need to do this to earn his needed credits in science, rather it would be done for scholarship purposes or for college entrance requirements for his chosen science-related major. This will be more apparent as he selects which university to attend and can see what their specific requirements are for his field of study.

Blessings,
Carrie