Resistance is futile...I need help.

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faroutback

Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by faroutback » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:04 am

Good morning. We started school last week in organizing and so on and we started yesterday with "book lessons". I was met with as much resistance to doing lessons as we had achieved mid-year last year. I can say I am not a good motivator :roll: and while in school (I thought) I knew I would not be a teacher. Here I am though doing what I would consider to be the most important of teaching "jobs" yet I feel I am floundering. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to motivate a 7yo boy that says I don't like lesssons because it takes time away from playing, yet will argue and resist doing the work to the point that it takes a whole lot way more time than it ever would have taken just to do the work. We have similar issues with chores but that does not stretch out like lessons. We are starting half speed with Bigger;we started at 9am and finished around 4pm between disciplining, time outs and extra chores. Could it just be me? Family members say his attitude is just like one of his uncle's and I asked him what would have motivated him to go ahead and just do what he was supposed to when he was growing up. He said probably just knowing he wouldn't get a spanking, it is just stubbornness he will grow out of it :wink:. Thanks for listening to me vent, any suggestions would be great but just your "listening" helps.

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Re: Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by playschool » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:58 am

I feel for your situation. It can be so difficult to motivate my own kids so I can empathize. Prayer first and foremost comes into mind in your situation which I am sure you have already been doing. Prayer is a means to pour out our heart to God and a humbling that apart from HIM we cannot do this parenting job in the right way. I am coming to realize in my own life with my own struggles with my kids that I need to get on my knees first. I believe that God can help to change the heart of our children when his parents are constantly lifting him up before the Lord.
Besides praying, we have taken the advice of a friend of mine. She has told her boys plenty of times when they did not want to "do school" that just like daddy has a job, school is their job for now until they get older. We have tried also to remind our kids that all kids have to "do school" either at home or at a school building. There many times when I have also used rewards to encourage my children to do well in their school work. I know that this is not much, but I hope it helps a little.

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Re: Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by my3sons » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:28 am

It's going to be alright - that same resistance that makes you want to pull your hair out with your ds can turn into a wonderful character quality over time. People that have this quality can be less prone to peer pressure, are decisive in their decision making, and can be excellent leaders! So, that's the good news. The bad news is it can be a long haul to get there. :? But, don't be discouraged - a solid month of honing a habit can make it stick for a lifetime. Look at this as a battle you are going to win over time because you are the parent, and you have 100% control over little bunny's environment. :D

Do you have a schedule with times typed up? If not, this really helps with my dc. It doesn't have to be detailed - it can just be Reading about History (15 minutes), Math (20 minutes), etc. He can have a copy in a clear protector sheet and check it off with a dry erase marker each day. I remember showing my ds Riley (who is very stubborn) his schedule and explaining how long things were supposed to take. I told him I did not desire for school to take all day for him, but he could end up making it take all day if he drew it out, dawdled, and didn't listen. Use the "I'm in your corner, on your side" tactic - tell him you know how he feels - you have other things you want to accomplish each day too. :shock: Half-speed Bigger Hearts should ideally take around an hour and a half or so to do. Maybe print this link and show him how long it is taking other dc to do this:
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Or show him in the front of your guide in the Introduction under "Fun Ideas" where it says the total time for the program - and explain that he's only doing half of it. Then, I'd invest in a timer, and set it for the time increments it should take. I tell my dc this is training time - where they learn about how long they're supposed to be doing each box. They don't have to hit it exactly when the timer rings the first couple of weeks, but it's a measure so they know when they're supposed to be done. I remind them if they take longer their day will be longer, because we WILL finish. It has helped to tell my dc other kiddos are in school all day, and that it doesn't have to be that way homeschooling - but it can if they don't move along.

I've found I can make a big difference in how quickly we finish as well. I've learned (the hard way) not to do other things, answer the phone, check the board (ooooooo, that's a tough one for me :lol: ), but instead be all about the business of homeschooling while we are doing that. I've also learned (again the hard way :oops: ) to keep the pace brisk, not hop on bunny trails, and not draw out a lesson more myself. The plans do not need to be added to nor drawn out - they don't need one more question, one more art technique, one more extra book to read, etc. - they are enough and adding to them needlessly draws out the day which frustrates both me and my dc in the long run. Also, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so I sometimes struggle with having dc redo, fix, add to their work until it's "just right". This is not a good quality for me to have, especially at the beginning of the year. I've found it's good to accept their work as long as it was done to the best of their ability, rather than wanting their work to turn out a certain way. Sloppy work - no, that I can't accept, but careful work done to the ability of their age level, yes, that has to be good enough. So, if you have any of these habits that I tend to have, it may help to undo them, as I've had to do. :wink:

Finally, it does help to enlist dh - maybe hang ds's projects on the fridge and show dh at supper. Maybe share Bible verse with dh on the phone or at supper, etc. Any way you can make ds's work be IMPORTANT - that will help him begin to take pride in his "job". BTW - I loved what playschool said about this being their job and they'd have to go to school somewhere (and usually longer each day) as mandated by our government. We have told our dc this as well, and my dh will even talk about his job at supper and then ask about their "job" and how it went for the day sometimes. :D Keep it up - stick with this - it is an important training period that is likely to get worse before it gets better, but your perseverance and persistence WILL win out in the end. :D :D :D

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
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Re: Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by Tansy » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:42 am

I had this problem with my eldest... she is now in Public school.... so maybe you might not want to take advice from me :oops: but Recently we had her diagnosed with some major learning issues and her therapist gave me a great technique to handle this exact problem. If he is engaging you he is in control... this disciplining technique was so helpful this summer when she was home all day and "acting out" all day. It really put a damper on her acting out in less than a week. yYou can give him 3 tokens cars, sticks, buttons, anything but its only 3. We use a stop light green... yellow.... red...

First episode of argument or not doing work he gives you a token, now he has 2 next time he has 1 next time he has a 20 minute time out on the floor facing a blank wall, hands are to be quiet. next acting out 40 minutes, next 60 minutes, next 80 minutes. you keep adding time on after each episode in 20 min intervals. You do not argue with him you just set the timer and put him in time out. He has control because he has his tokens if he wants to play he will get the picture. Do school then play. You do not send him to his room, he is quiet on floor bored to tears for a very long time... yes it is very extreme but it causes him to motivate himself. The good parts are hes not engaging your attention and he's not playing, school work starts to look more and more exciting...

The first day my child spent an hour in time out, the next day none, the next day she spent like 4 hours in time out.... the next day it was back to an hour and since then she as only reaches one time out a week... she looses tokens but rarely dose she make it all the way to a time out. They figure it out very quickly.... But you have to be very consisting he has the grace in the forms of his tokens, you can't get him to do the work until he's willing and this really works at helping them be willing.

yes it is a totally unfair amount of time to expect them to sit but its amazing they will do it, and that is an important part of the technique. Once you make them really sit for a huge length of time they motivate themselves. Also the parent doesn't get frustrated, set the timer and do your own thing as long as you are in the same room/area. Its not "your" problem its his...

I think if I had learned this sooner My dd1 would not be in P.S.

ok school is not getting done must go teach my china girl
huggs I feel your pain!
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Re: Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by 4froggies » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:19 pm

Just a thought... are you keeping the lessons to the alloted time frame you have scheduled? The suggested timeframes with HOD are very doable, and I find that if I try to keep going past that time, I am more likely to get resistance or tears, etc. Set a timer. Even if the lesson isn't completely finished, I would stop at the end of that time. That way, he knows that it is really not that painful, and might be more willing to cooperate. Also, I've learned that the longer I take to do a lesson, the less learning actually takes place- it's like their brain is just full! Hope this might help!
Beth

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faroutback

Re: Resistance is futile...I need help.

Post by faroutback » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:39 pm

Thank you ladies for your insight. The time we spent was just trying to do the lessons, I would love to add a little more to what we do but just getting past the arguing and complaining is what takes time because these behaviors carry a consequence that well takes time out from what we are doing and then we come back and try again. We've tried the you have this wonderful opportunity to finish and have the rest of the day while others are stuck in ps all day inside :( and the "job" approach. DH says maybe it was just the summer break where things were more laid back. I must say if that was it, lesson learned :!: on my part. Perhaps I have not been as consistent as need be with the discipline for arguing and complaining. I don't like conflict and perhaps that is coming to show. We recently ordered the book from Doorposts, "For Instruction in Righteousness" and an If...Then Chart and we are trying to help me implement this. On good note, today was better than yesterday, Thank the Lord. And I thank Him for you all. Thanks for your encouragement.

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