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Gwenny
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skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:33 pm

I hadn't really thought about this, but I'm wondering if I should. :) My daughter has done Bigger, Preparing and almost finished with CtC. She did Preparing independently (except for English and Math) and easily does the boxes CtC independently that she is supposed to do. She is on the older end, which has been great because I need her to work independently as much as possible. She is a little slow, but not because it's at all difficult, she just moves so slowly in EVERYTHING! :) I'm sure she could handle the level of the work in Rev to Rev, the reading level of the books she uses in CtC is below what she could handle and understand.
She just turned 13 on April 1st. That would put her out of the extension range for the first time. I just wonder if she would miss some crucial things in RtR. It looks so wonderful--but if it's too "easy" wouldn't it be better for her to progress more at her level? I looked at the placement chart and I really don't know what to say from that! :)
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Gwenny
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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:33 am

I guess nobody is sure what to say about this. :lol: :shock: I keep pondering it and have been looking through the guides and trying to find posts about the two guides. What I seem to see the most is that I shouldn't worry about her not starting the high school guides in 9th grade, the Hearts for Him Through Time are meaty enough. I don't think I'm most concerned with her starting the high school guides on time, it's more about wondering if I am keeping her from progressing faster because I'm just going through them in order when she could've done more.

Anyway, still thinking and maybe someone will have some thoughts. :)
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by Nealewill » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:52 am

I do think that the volume of the day increases quite a bit next year with R2R. I have the books already and have search through them. If your dd is slow already with CTC, then I wouldn't skip R2R and move to RevtoRev. Is she completing the extensions in CTC? If not, then I would add them in for next year. The extension books are great and interesting. It would challenge her a little bit more but not frustrate. But if the extension books are too much, then you will know that she places perfectly.

Going forward, I am not sure if you consider her 7th grade or not right now. Not that it matters :-). If it were me, I would do R2R, add in the extensions and see how your year goes. If it goes very smoothly with no problem, then I would consider skipping RevtoRev and complete MTMM for her 9th grade year. The only change I would make is have her complete the science from RevtoRev instead of the science in MTMM. Then I would add in the extensions for MTMM, give her high school worthy books for DITHOR, and add in the Spanish from WG. I would also have her complete economics or finance in this level too if she is able. When she is in 10th grade, I would then have her complete WG guide, give her the next guide's Spanish, and have her complete the science from WH. You could then complete WH in 11th and AH in 12th with moving her up in Spanish and Science. it would be a great year. The only other thought I had was that you don't necessarily need to skip science in WG. You could do that and just do the science as in WH and AH if you wanted to. But the other science progression would help if she is strong in this area.

And if you find that adding in the extensions for R2R are just too much, you would definitely know if she was placed correctly. You could then just modify RevtoRev and MTMM to make them high school worthy :-)
Daneale

DD 13 WG
DS 12 R2R
DD 10 R2R

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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:00 pm

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13690&p=97830#p97830

Not sure if that link will work, but I just found my answer! It was an old post that Julie copied for someone about whether or not to skip a guide. I am not going to have her skip RTR. I'm not going to worry about finishing all of the high school guides.

I love HOD! I'm so grateful for Carrie and Julie--and their families. What a blessing they are to us. They have radically changed my homeschooling life and my children's lives. I'm trying really hard not to think about "what if I had HOD for my older children!".
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:11 am

Thanks Nealewill. I am assuming that when it is said to add extensions, it always means the reading and the follow-ups. Is that what you think? I know that she can handle all of the reading. I don't have her doing follow-ups because of the time. She is so slow. Like I said before, she is slow with everything. It could take her 15 minutes to eat a bowl of cereal if I let her. She takes a bite, puts the spoon down, looks around, stretches, looks around some more, maybe reads something that sitting near her (like the cereal box) and then slowly takes another bite. Drivers me insane! I have the "let's get it done and then we can move on to something else" way of approaching something-especially if it's something I don't necessarily want to do. :) Even though she would like to do other things besides school--it doesn't seem to speed her up so she can do something else. I had to set the timer for her to unload the dishwasher in a timely manner--it could take her 20 minutes! She got faster, but without the timer, I've noticed she is slowing down. Trying to decide how much is just her and how much I should push. :)
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by Nealewill » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:02 am

I think you and my dd have the same mentality. She takes FOR...EV...ER for most things too. I am constantly on her about time :-)

I don't use the extensions so I am not quite sure about the follow ups. I thought that it also included some written items but am not quite sure :-)
Daneale

DD 13 WG
DS 12 R2R
DD 10 R2R

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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:51 am

MomtoJGJE, what do you think about this? :)
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by MomtoJGJE » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 am

Have you told her how long each box is "supposed" to take? Is she capable of doing all the reading but just gets distracted? Or is it the actual work, aside from personality, thats making it slow?

Do you think she's distracted because it's not enough?

Honestly, I don't know that I'd skip a guide, but I don't know academically if it would matter once they get past CTC...... Of course our highest guide is RTR, so give me a year and I might feel differently. :)

But I think I would set and end time for each day. Like for my oldest, if she is working hard and not dawdling, she can stop after 3 hours. 3-3.5 hours is about my max comfort for middle school. You could go with what is the expected time for the guide plus 30 minutes?

Another thought... do you do a traditional school year? We school year round. It really helps move through the guides faster if we've had life happen and are "behind."

If you do a typical school year, and school four days per week as the guide says, Maybe you could have a set time each day and then just stop each day at that time. Then start where you left off the next day. Have a set rotation she does the boxes.... maybe even make a list of the boxes for a whole unit (one big comprehensive list). Then as she finishes a box she can mark it off and she will easier be able to see where she needs to start the next day. When it's your summer break you could have her still school a couple of days worth per week. However many days it takes her to do those days within the time limit. Then she could "catch up" a bit.


Sorry this was so choppy. I hope it makes sense. My little one crawled in my lap and fell asleep while I was typing and I had to do most of it left handed.

I'm also very flattered that you asked me !

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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:19 pm

MomtoJGJE--I like how you are very no nonsense about things and you have a good grasp of HOD and moving your girls through and placement and such--so I was curious what you thought. :) The ladies on here are so great!

She knows how long things should be and we've done some timing of it etc. It is not her doing the work that takes forever---it's the in between. Moving from one thing to another, putting things away, getting things out. What's interesting--we've had some of my older children home for a few days and then for a couple of days my daughter and her baby were here. Well...on the days they were coming, I said, "we are getting everything done by noon--if you don't, you'll have to do things while they are here"---she got everything done--including her 50 min of piano practice! That wasn't just once, that was several times. So, it's not the work or the material--it's her barely moving.

We do school year round. We like to take breaks in the fall and spring a little bit so we do it in the summer. Basically, if we are home we try and do school. I'm really trying to keep her going on her guides especially since I want her to not be "so far behind". She always checks the boxes when she is done--I don't have a problem writing in the guides.
Nancy
Dd29 married (w/2 sons 1/2/14, 5/24/16), ds27, dd25 married (w/dd born 8/9/16), dd25, dd22
Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by MomtoJGJE » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:01 am

I see... well, with that information....

My next question is, does it mess with anyone else in the home for her to be so slow? Can everyone else's day go on as planned even when she is taking forever?

If everything else can go as planned, then I wouldn't worry with it, but insist she finish a day in a day. Nothing else fun until school is done.... for us that would be electronics and basketball ;)

But I still think you are right to not skip RTR.... It is really reinforcing things we've discussed in church that my daughter didn't really quite understand as much as she thought she did. It's really neat to see those connections being made.

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Re: skip RTR

Post by Nealewill » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:07 am

My dd is definitely just like your then Gwenny :-) She also has trouble with moving from thing to thing.

I actually have gotten to the point that I completely scheduled her day. It helped. And my dd does also have some goals going on - like how your dd had the goal of finishing school so that she could spend time with family. I have found these goals are really good because she works so much harder when she has things she wants to do. Now that it is nice out, my dd is busting her bottom to get finished so that she can ride her bike or go to friends houses.

I don't know about your dd but mine just gets distracted. She is the oldest of my 3. It looks like yours is the oldest of the kids at home. My younger kids run around playing and it is distracting. She wants to be playing. And it can definitely seem unfair. It is to a point. But she is getting better. I find that if everyone else has something to do, then she isn't so distracted. That seems unfair the other way :-) But oh well, life just isn't fair I guess :-)
Daneale

DD 13 WG
DS 12 R2R
DD 10 R2R

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Re: skip RTR

Post by Gwenny » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:33 am

lol Yes, life isn't fair. :) She doesn't really say much, but I think she does get frustrated that she is doing way more school than the others. I have no problem with having her do it even on days when I can barely get any of the boys work done. They rely so much on me and she is so independent. I think though, that she just always hopes that she won't have to get it done and so she doesn't necessarily work hard to finish.

Her day doesn't affect others except that she has ballet three afternoons a week. She has to leave at 3:30 and she has to pack a dinner for 2 of those days. The getting ready and packing the dinner can EASILY take her 1.5 hours, when really it should be about 30 min. So, if her school isn't done it holds over for the next day and I don't think she cares. So, for me, she needs to be done with school more quickly because I want it done and also she has chores that she needs to do--and I'd like her to have time for other things.

I think after thinking about all of this, I need to plan her day for her a little bit more and provide some incentives (maybe positive and "negative") to help her move along. She doesn't seem to be able to do that for herself yet-unless it's huge like a baby nephew coming to visit!

Nealewill--do you mean you scheduled her day as in what to do in the guide and when? or more than that?

Thanks gals!! I so appreciate you talking this out with me. :D :D
Nancy
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Dd 19 HS in special ed
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Re: skip RTR

Post by Nealewill » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:57 am

Yes. I order when she completes which subjects. I try and spread it out though. My dd gets tired if she reads too much at a time. I try and do the left side of the guide in the AM (plus math) and then the right in the PM. I get my dd up by 7:45 most days and she is done with breakfast and ready to go by 8:30 or 8:45. I sit with her and try and do her story time first. And then I explain math. Then for the rest of the morning she can work independently. After she gets done, she gets to play and eat lunch until 1:00. Then for the afternoon, I have sit with her and go over dictation, grammar and writing with her. She then does her science and DITHOR. If I have DITHOR stuff to do with her, I do it last. She paints at the table for poetry and she can do it 75% alone. While she is reading independently, I work with my younger 2. But lately, my younger 2 have been doing their history and science on their own. So it used to be that I did math, spelling and grammar in the AM. And then history, bible, science in the PM. Now, my younger 2 have been doing the reading alone and then they come and see me. I do read story time in the PM to my son though. My youngest reads her own story time book but she usually does that in the AM and she does it first (she loves the Burgess books and doesn't want to wait for me.)

It seems like if there is a lot of chaos in the house, then it is harder to get done. I half way wonder if you took some of her dance lessons away if she would perk up and get moving. I know I sound terribly mean. But I place a lot of emphasis on natural consequences in my house .... if you can't get your school work done, then you can't do other stuff. I have found that speaks volumes to my kids. I have had them miss soccer and AWANA once or twice because of it. It made a huge impression. I also would pray about how she does meal packing. Maybe each weekend she should make up things that are easy to grab and pack during the week. I know it is her responsibility but maybe making it for her might get it done faster too. That is tough though - I am to the point where my kids make their own breakfast and they might even make my breakfast. I also have the kids help with dinner and they sometimes make it. I work from home so at times I am very busy. Like now - I have been working since 6:00 AM. I just needed a small break to clear my head and I am salary so my volume of work can just sit while I stretch for a few. But most days I work. My schedule varies but lately I have been working 30-40 hours per week. It has just been really busy. For me, it is helpful for my kids to load and unload dishes, make meals, fold and wash clothing. I usually do the washing they all fold their own clothing. They also have to clean up after lunch and possibly vacuum/sweep. Everyone chips in and it is great. I also have a fairly rigid schedule. I work from 6:00 - 8:30. Take a 15-25 min break. Work again until 10:00 or 10:30. Do math, spelling, grammar and Latin with younger kids. I may work at lunch and I may not. After lunch, no work (unless I have a random meeting). I sit with dd at 1:00 going over right side of guide. I help her with grammar/writing and then dictation. She then moves independent. I then help younger kids with Storytime, Bible, Science and History activities - but it seems like now they have taken those on themselves (at least the reading). I have had a lot of work to do these past few weeks so I started working now in the afternoon but if I can't work in the afternoon, then I work at night around 8:00 till 10:00 or 11:00. I only work the last shift if there is a ton of things to do. If it is slow, then only working from 6:00 AM to 9:00 or 10:00 and that is all. But this is how I schedule my day and my kids days.
Daneale

DD 13 WG
DS 12 R2R
DD 10 R2R

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