Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

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LindaOz
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Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by LindaOz » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:16 pm

Hi,

I am new to HOD and am using Bigger with two of my children. I am loving it and am wanting to gradually transition as many of my children as possible over to HOD. So my question is..... are any of you using CtoC with a 13yo? I am considering this for my dd13 and dd11 and would just like to hear how others have used it with the older age group. I would definitely use the extensions for dd13.

Also, I see in the catalogue that a Modern Times guide is on the agenda. Is there any projected release date for it, or is it quite a way off yet? Just asking.... :)

Thanks so much,
Linda
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by 8arrows » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:22 am

The Modern Times guide will be out next August (2012).
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by my3sons » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:00 am

Welcome to the HOD Board, Linda! We did CTC and enjoyed it so much! :D I am thinking this would be a great way to start with your 11 and 13 yo, provided they fit into it fairly well according to the placement chart - here's a link to that...
http://www.heartofdakota.com/placing-your-child.php

I'm so glad you are enjoying HOD - we are too. :D What a good idea to transition your dc to HOD! I think you will find doing multiple guides is not hard to do provided dc are placed accurately. I would love to chat through placement with you, if you get the chance to share some about each of your dc individually with the first page of the placement chart in mind. That would help us give advice customized to your family, which is such a benefit of HOD to take advantage of. :D I do think your 2 dc can be combined, but it will just depend on whether CTC is the right guide or a different one according to the skills in the placement chart. I can vouch for all of the HOD guides being a delight to teach and learn from, as we've done them all and have enjoyed our homeschooling so much. If you get the chance to pop back in and share about your 11 yo and your 13 yo individually where each would place, and about the first page of the placement chart for each of them, that would be great! Placement is worth spending some time on, as this is a whole year of homeschooling, and it sets dc on the path to move through the guides. The ladies on this board are very helpful and encouraging, and I know we'll all chime in with ideas when you share a little more - looking forward to getting to know you! :D

In Christ,
Julie
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by LindaOz » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:06 am

Thank you Julie.

Well, I've had a look at the placement chart and I *think* that these two would fit into CTC. They both read independently and, although I haven't yet got DITHOR, I think they would both be capable of doing the level 4/5 although they haven't really done any formal lit study - mostly read and narrate, write a summary etc. They are both fine with copying in cursive and are able to take dictation, although dd12 (will be 13 when she starts HOD) struggles with fluency in her writing so I think that extra work developing written narrations would be good for her. She really blanks out at creative writing and I'm wanting her to have some basic instruction in this area. Dd11 is good with dictation, writes short narrations and does some creative writing. Dd11 has just started R&S English 4 after using some of English 3 and a variety of other grammar resources. She enjoys this and has understood her work so far. Dd12 is using another grammar resource at the moment but I would like her to work through R&S English 5 when she is done with her current book. She can get a little muddled with grammar as well.

As for math, dd12 is strong in this area and is nearly finished Saxon 8/7. She will stay with Saxon and go into Algebra 1/2. I've actually just done the Singapore Math placement test with dd11 and I have her books ordered but they haven't arrived yet. I haven't been happy with the math she has been doing (thus the change) and she only tested into level 3B. I'm hoping that she will be able to go through that level quickly and be ready for at least 4A when we start with HOD.

Does that help? I hope I've made things clear.

Can I ask you about another child too? Jessica is 14, but will be 15 in September and is currently doing Sonlight Core 100. She is a very advanced reader (the SL reading she is doing is easy for her) and has a deep understanding of what she reads. She's right into Jane Austen at the moment and can give me insightful comments and verbal character analyses just in conversation. I'm really unsure of what to place her into next year. I was going to have her do MFW AHL..... but then I discovered HOD and now I'm tossing from one to the other. She writes easily and is a talented creative writer (was short-listed last year in a national competition) although she could use work on writing poetry :wink: I would like to give her some formal instruction in academic writing (essays etc). She has done some of this but I want to take it further. She is currently working through R&S English 6. Math and Science are NOT her strong points. Would Rev to Rev with extensions be suitable for her? Or would she be past it? I'm so unsure.

Also, how much of Rev to Rev is American history? Jessica will have just completed a whole year of American history and she is enjoying it, but because we Australian it may be too much to do another whole study on it the next year. I'm not worried about the state study - we would just substitute that with some Aus studies. I am thinking more of the overall history study.

Anyway, thanks so much for answering my post and for your help.
Linda
Homeschooling in Australia with
Emily 16
Jessica 14
Bethany 12
Samantha 11
Erin 9
Luke 6
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by blessedmomof4 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:20 pm

Hi Linda,
I am using CTC with my 11 and 13 year old girls. We've only just started, and will take a break for the summer, but I believe it is a good fit. The 13 year old was slow to warm up to it, but I think it had more to do with not wanting to be combined with her younger sister than with a true self-assessment :) They are not that far apart in abilities. Over the summer, I will be introducing my 13 year old to the Extensions at a slow rate to get her used to them (and to catch up with the CTC units we have already covered).
So when fall comes, we will be on the CTC with this age group journey together :D
With what you shared about your older girl, Rev to Rev with extensions sounds like a great placement. Somewhere on this board there are some other Australian moms who have talked about the benefits they have seen in using HOD, in spite of American content, because of the skills gained and the Christ-centered focus. I also recall mention of the fact that Rev to Rev covers American history within the context of world history, so that it is well-rounded. I hope some of the other moms who are currently using that level have a chance to pop in and answer that for you!
Lourdes
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by LindaOz » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:31 pm

blessedmomof4 wrote:Hi Linda,
I am using CTC with my 11 and 13 year old girls. We've only just started, and will take a break for the summer, but I believe it is a good fit. The 13 year old was slow to warm up to it, but I think it had more to do with not wanting to be combined with her younger sister than with a true self-assessment :) They are not that far apart in abilities. Over the summer, I will be introducing my 13 year old to the Extensions at a slow rate to get her used to them (and to catch up with the CTC units we have already covered).
So when fall comes, we will be on the CTC with this age group journey together :D
With what you shared about your older girl, Rev to Rev with extensions sounds like a great placement. Somewhere on this board there are some other Australian moms who have talked about the benefits they have seen in using HOD, in spite of American content, because of the skills gained and the Christ-centered focus. I also recall mention of the fact that Rev to Rev covers American history within the context of world history, so that it is well-rounded. I hope some of the other moms who are currently using that level have a chance to pop in and answer that for you!
Thanks for your response. I can so much relate to what you said about your 13yo not wanting to be combined with her sister. I'm expecting a bit of that here too as dd12 (13 in August) seems to think she is soooo much older than dd11 even though there is only 20 months between them :wink:. I'm relying on the extensions to give her the impression that she is doing much more advanced work.... :lol: Hopefully that will smooth the waters a little. We won't actually start with CtC until after Christmas as we school calendar year here, but it's nice to know that we will be on the same journey. :D .

In regards to my 14yo, well I guess I've got some more thinking and deciding to do. What is your dd15 using?
Linda
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Jessica 14
Bethany 12
Samantha 11
Erin 9
Luke 6
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by my3sons » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:36 am

Hi Linda! :D We just returned from a convention, so thanks for your patience in my getting back to you here. Thank you for explaining more about each of your dc with the placement chart in mind - that really does help so much.
LindaOz wrote:...I've had a look at the placement chart and I *think* that these two would fit into CTC. They both read independently and, although I haven't yet got DITHOR, I think they would both be capable of doing the level 4/5 although they haven't really done any formal lit study - mostly read and narrate, write a summary etc. They are both fine with copying in cursive and are able to take dictation, although dd12 (will be 13 when she starts HOD) struggles with fluency in her writing so I think that extra work developing written narrations would be good for her. She really blanks out at creative writing and I'm wanting her to have some basic instruction in this area. Dd11 is good with dictation, writes short narrations and does some creative writing. Dd11 has just started R&S English 4 after using some of English 3 and a variety of other grammar resources. She enjoys this and has understood her work so far. Dd12 is using another grammar resource at the moment but I would like her to work through R&S English 5 when she is done with her current book. She can get a little muddled with grammar as well. As for math, dd12 is strong in this area and is nearly finished Saxon 8/7. She will stay with Saxon and go into Algebra 1/2. I've actually just done the Singapore Math placement test with dd11 and I have her books ordered but they haven't arrived yet. I haven't been happy with the math she has been doing (thus the change) and she only tested into level 3B. I'm hoping that she will be able to go through that level quickly and be ready for at least 4A when we start with HOD.

Does that help? I hope I've made things clear.
Yes, that helps so much! :D I think the 2 of them can be well placed in CTC along with the LA/math you've mentioned. :D We especially appreciated the clear explanation and instruction of written narrations. The Written Narration Skills list in the Appendix helped us focus upon one skill at a time helped my ds to improve his writing tenfold. :D "Write with the Best" helped our ds to improve his creative writing ability so much. He was able to attempt to emulate the style of many wonderful classic authors, while still choosing his own topics of interest, which he enjoyed doing. :D I think your R & S English choices sound good, and HOD advises doing around 2/3 of it orally or on a markerboard, and only reserving 1/3 or a section of it to be written. We have done this and found we are able to clip along with R & S English, making it more enjoyable and doable for the long haul. :D There are many levels of dictation to choose from in CTC, so that should work, and the extensions will extend it for your older dd nicely. I do think you'll be able to clip along with the math with dd11. One thing I have learned (the hard way :wink: ) about Singapore is that it is not helpful for me to insert "my" little tips and tricks and steps for math alongside or in lieu of the Singapore methods. :oops: There is much purpose to the order and the method Singapore uses to teach skills, and "my way" confuses that method. So, the only advice I can give with Singapore is trust the manner they are going about teaching math, sit alongside your dd and learn it with her as you do the Textbook part of the lesson together, and then let her do the Workbook as solo as possible. That has been what has worked for us with Singapore, and the results have been amazing! :D
LindaOz wrote:Can I ask you about another child too? Jessica is 14, but will be 15 in September and is currently doing Sonlight Core 100. She is a very advanced reader (the SL reading she is doing is easy for her) and has a deep understanding of what she reads. She's right into Jane Austen at the moment and can give me insightful comments and verbal character analyses just in conversation. I'm really unsure of what to place her into next year. I was going to have her do MFW AHL..... but then I discovered HOD and now I'm tossing from one to the other. She writes easily and is a talented creative writer (was short-listed last year in a national competition) although she could use work on writing poetry :wink: I would like to give her some formal instruction in academic writing (essays etc). She has done some of this but I want to take it further. She is currently working through R&S English 6. Math and Science are NOT her strong points. Would Rev to Rev with extensions be suitable for her? Or would she be past it? I'm so unsure.
Yes - we love to hear about each of your dc here at HOD! :D :D I think Jessica would do well with RevtoRev along with the Extension Package. It is definitely a meaty program - the poetry and primary source documents, along with the level of writing and reading selections come to mind as I think of how challenging RevtoRev will be. I think your dd would enjoy the "Creative Writing" program as well, and the R & S English 6 and dictation passages will be challenging too. She could do the Advanced Physical Science, which is high school credit worthy, and DITHOR 6/7/8 which you can choose some Austen titles and some other challenging books to give her a lit credit. Here is a link about that:
DITHOR Titles for High School:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7765&p=56997#p56997
LindaOz wrote:Also, how much of Rev to Rev is American history? Jessica will have just completed a whole year of American history and she is enjoying it, but because we Australian it may be too much to do another whole study on it the next year. I'm not worried about the state study - we would just substitute that with some Aus studies. I am thinking more of the overall history study. Anyway, thanks so much for answering my post and for your help.
I think that American is definitely balanced well within world history in RevtoRev. "George Washington's World" gives excellent overall coverage of history, and along with "The Growth of the British Empire" - which runs throughout - and the other sources such as "The Story of Napoleon" and Diana Waring's "What in the World" audio tour through history - make for a good mix. However, you will know best here. :D

HTH! We have enjoyed HOD so much in our own home, and one of the reasons is each of our dc is getting just what they need. This makes our days flow smoothly, and it makes our years such satisfying, enjoyable ones. HOD makes homeschooling relatively stress free - even though my house is filled with 3 very BUSY active boys! :D We love our days together. And it's largely due to HOD. May HOD be a blessing in your home as well! :D

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by blessedmomof4 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:59 am

Linda,
In answer to your question about my 15 year old (will be 16 next month), she is enrolled in an online public school. It is not my favorite choice, but she has actually just finished her 3rd year of high school, meaning she will graduate in June 2012 and will be headed for university :shock: When she had completed junior high, HOD didn't have anything i could use with her at the time, so I sent her to public school. Since she is also a pre-professional dance student, after two years of public school she was open to finding a way to study at home again, and we settled on the online school. If HOD had anything that high in level currently written, I would certainly be using it for her as well :) If I tried to use Rev to Rev with her, I am afraid it would probably take a LOT of additional materials to make it suitable for a high school senior, which would mean more work than I am willing or able to do (as I am currently studying in an online degree program as well).
For my next two girls, I am seriously considering homeschooling all the way through high school with HOD.
Lourdes
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2 grads 9/19/92,7/8/95
2 in charter school 1/31/98, 9/19/99
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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by LindaOz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:26 am

my3sons wrote: Yes - we love to hear about each of your dc here at HOD! :D :D I think Jessica would do well with RevtoRev along with the Extension Package. It is definitely a meaty program - the poetry and primary source documents, along with the level of writing and reading selections come to mind as I think of how challenging RevtoRev will be. I think your dd would enjoy the "Creative Writing" program as well, and the R & S English 6 and dictation passages will be challenging too. She could do the Advanced Physical Science, which is high school credit worthy, and DITHOR 6/7/8 which you can choose some Austen titles and some other challenging books to give her a lit credit. Here is a link about that:
DITHOR Titles for High School:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7765&p=56997#p56997
Thanks so much for your repsonse Julie. I'm feeling confident about CtC for my 11 and 13yo for next year. I'm still considering about my 14yo. RevtoRev sounds good though. With regards to DITHOR, is the higher level still fine for a `14 - 15yo if using more challenging high-school literature? Just checking again....

Once again, thanks for your help.
Linda
Homeschooling in Australia with
Emily 16
Jessica 14
Bethany 12
Samantha 11
Erin 9
Luke 6
Alison 1

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Re: Creation to Christ with 13yo, and another question.

Post by my3sons » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:43 am

I'm glad to be of some help! :D
LindaOz wrote:...With regards to DITHOR, is the higher level still fine for a `14 - 15yo if using more challenging high-school literature? Just checking again...
Yes, Level 6/7/8 is fine for a 14-15 yo. DITHOR is written for dc ages 7-15 yo, so that works just fine! We also have freshman high school students using DITHOR 6/7/8 with high school literature and counting it as a lit. credit. Here is a thread that may help with high school level titles...

DITHOR Titles for High School:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7765&p=56997#p56997

:D In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
Sister to Carrie

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