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Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:32 pm
by housefullofboys
any advice from other moms. I am a children's ministry director, but sometimes it good to hear and learn from other moms who have been there. My oldest son has the first born mentality, he is very much a boss, and has trouble listening, and will purposefully not listen. He tells his younger brother what to do, not in love, but in meaness. I have heard good things about 'Have a new kid by Friday" by Dr. Lehman. I have prayed with him through his anger, and he just shuts off. I hate that some of our family tells us, its because we homeschool, and if he went to p/s he would not have this problem. That statement, really gets to me...

Does anyone have any ideas? I would love to hear them.

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:37 pm
by leimarie
no real suggestions, just ((hugs)) and reassurance that this isn't a result of you homeschooling. We took our oldest son home from public school for exactly the same reason. I haven't read the book you mentioned but I am not in favor of anything that promises results that quickly because it leads to feelings of inadequacy and failure. Nurturing a child's heart towards the Lord is not a week-long job, it is a life-long trek.

Hang in there! you aren't alone. ;)

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:42 pm
by creativemommy
You're definitely not alone! We had a field trip yesterday and my son was very disobedient and disrespectful to me. At one point he turned to me and said, "Mommy, Satan is tempting me to touch these plants (cactus plants he was asked not to touch), but I'm not going to listen." It's a daily battle for him to choose to do what he knows God wants him to do!

I haven't read the book, but heard good things about it. :D

My advice - Pray, Pray & Pray! God hears & answers!

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:10 pm
by KTLM6
It is NOT because you homeschool. :( My oldest was in public school and did the same thing. I'm sure you will get many ideas from others. I will tell you that, the longer this behavior persists, the harder it may be to change. My best advice is to pray, seek God, and decide with your husband a plan of action. Long term consistency is most important. It's tough to see your child being angry and mean. He knows it's wrong or he wouldn't shut off. Set up consequences for when he acts this way and stick to them. Sometimes not listening has natural consequences, and as long as they aren't dangerous, he should experience some of them. If he doesn't listen to directions for schoolwork, redoing it a few times will encourage him to pay attention. However, if he isn't listening to you when you are trying to talk to him about his behavior and God, then the consequences should be decided on. Make sure he knows he is loved, but that that behavior isn't acceptable. I am a children's ministry director too. I spend a lot of time planning and praying to reach other children's hearts for Christ. It's hard when we see our own children struggling. Keep praying. God is faithful. :) I'll pray for ya too.

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:28 pm
by countrymom
As the others have mentioned, this is a matter of heart training - character building that takes a lifetime. Our children are all born sinners of the flesh, regardless of where they go to school. One thing I have found very helpful is a "redo." I ask the child in a calm voice to show me a better way to do X. This really seems to keep the defenses down, and the act of redoing immediately correctly cements with actions what we are teaching with words. If the child cannot redo immediately correctly and with a good attitude, then we go to a consequence (and we might have a consequence anyway even though we redo, depending on the situation). I'll be praying for you.

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:36 pm
by BrooklynsMom03
I was just at a wonderful weekend called Family Challenge Camp....and the book ....Parenting with a Positive Plan was talked about...it sounded so good and some of the things they mentioned we already do...so I am waiting for the book to arrive to implement some more of the ideas I heard....Respective Responsible and Fun to be around....those are our 3 rules...and it covers everything we have come against so far! Beth in Idaho

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:04 pm
by Heidi in AK
Believe me, it's NOT because you homeschool. The same issues are even in Christian school! It's the enemy. I don't have much good advice, but I also have been a children's minister, and I also don't know! LOL! I just pray and ask God for wisdom, tenacity, consistency, and grace (in the manner needed). We did have great success with Have a New Kid by Friday as well as Shepherding a Child's Heart. Doorposts (search for them online) has resources for parents to help manage attitude!!!

It's not because you homeschool!

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:26 pm
by housefullofboys
Thanks everyone for your encouragement and advice. I appreciate your support!

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:58 pm
by water2wine
I just offer to lift you up in prayer. I am struggling with one of my children right now and I know how defeating it can feel when you know you put your heart and soul into raising them differently than they are choosing in their attitude. I have come to believe some things can only be prayed away so I will pray for you as I pray for my own. :D

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:21 pm
by holyhart
I just wanted to chime in and say that I will pray for you. I agree that heart issues are or can be hard and long to train. We need to be careful to break the will but not the spirit of our children. Character First (google it) has some really great resourses for teaching character qualities. Someone also mentiones Shepherding a Child's Heart, I second that it is a great book. I do have to say though, that as far as Have A New Kid by Friday I did NOT like at all. Honestly, I found enough of it to not be biblical that wouldn't finish it. Just a caution as I know others have liked it. And Doorposts has some great resourses as well.

Re: Bad attitudes creeping into our home...

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:29 pm
by my3sons
I have a houseful of boys too, so I understand how that make-up of a house can be BUSY, and how one bad attitude can act as a springboard for another... and another... and another... and if we are not careful, that is the way we behave with one another within this home of ours I so desire to be happy and peaceful. I think it is important to check those behaviors at once, and I really do put my foot down about "bullying" which can happen right within our own homes if we are not careful. Guarding the little ones, so that the older dc are not overly bossy with them, and teaching them to speak kindly with patience and love to littler ones is very important to do, and takes real training, often on a daily basis. :D It seems that dc who are closer in age can actually have more conflict than dc that are quite far apart in age, at least this has been the case in our home. It helps me to step back and be calm about it. To talk individually to whomever the person is needing some guidance, and then to calmly and clearly explain what is not acceptable, what change I expect in detail, and what consequences will be given if it happens again. :wink:

We as parents have much more control than we sometimes think we do. We can decide what privileges our dc are privy to, and what things they are not. Snacks and desserts for example are privileges that may be taken away. Bedtimes may be moved earlier. Computer time, videos, phones, etc. are all things that fall within our control and are privileges that may be taken away. Activities are privileges that may be taken away if dc cannot behave in a way so deserving of these as privileges. Toys / money / playtime / free time are all privileges as well. Dc are not simply entitled to privileges. :wink:

The other side of this coin is that our dc need to feel loved and valued. I have to say that HOD is helping me to take time to truly hold on to their hearts. One thing that has helped is to do each of the boy's HOD Bible time discussions totally privately, without the other boys listening in. Much ground is covered in these times together, and I feel the sharing parts of it where I admit struggles I've had and character habits I've had to work through and are still working through gives a nonjudgmental way for my ds to share his struggles and character habits to work on. I am a get-it-done person, but when it comes to these talking times that are steeped in the Word, I make a concentrated effort to take my own sweet time with it, to not rush it, and to make it count as much as I can.

So, I guess I'd say that first it would be helpful to explain in detail, clearly to your ds in a sit-down type meeting with him alone (along with dh if that is possible), what behavior is not acceptable and what changes you expect. I would make it a key point that speaking unkindly to younger brother will not be tolerated and will result in "x" consequence every single time. Younger ds is a valued member of the family and as such will be honored and loved no matter what. Next, taking account of all privileges ds has that are under your control and deciding which ones to take away would be good. For example, perhaps for every time he says something unkind / mean to younger brother, I'd move his bedtime back 30 minutes. If he is going to bed directly after supper some nights, then he is. If he had an activity to go to that night, then he would miss it. This is the time for clear consequences with consistent follow-ups. No matter what, follow through is key, or he will not take this seriously, and his behavior will not change. Last, I would make sure you are getting time alone with older ds. I would make sure his "love tank" is filled up. How does he most feel loved? When you talk to him? When you spend time doing something special with him? When you write him a loving note or tell him what makes you proud of him? When you surprise him with a small gift? When you make his favorite dessert? Every child has their own way they really do feel loved, and if you can figure that out, you can save a lot of time, and get to doing whatever helps him feel most loved. "The Five Love Languages of Children" is an excellent book that can help you figure this out - it sure has helped me. :D

Finally, I loved this past thread about this same type of topic, especially "lharris's" response was so helpful. I thought it may be helpful to you too...
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8437&p=61519

I want you to know you are not alone. I think HOD can really help us in this struggle to hold on to our dc's hearts. I also think prayer is a huge help. I hope something here has helped, but keep on struggling through this to hang on to your ds's heart - it is worth the battle, and the Lord truly is on your side here. :D

In Christ,
Julie