Rod and Staff 2 or 3 or none?

[tnahid]

My son is doing Beyond in 3rd grade with his brother (1st) and he has also been using a book called "Language Lessons for the Elementary Child." It is a Charlotte Mason style approach, but very little grammar. Would you recommend that I go ahead and get the Rod and Staff 2 or 3 for him? He's not really big on grammar or writing, etc, and he is easily frustrated, so I don't want to give him too much. At the same time, not sure what to do. I was reading about the Charlotte Mason approach to learning grammar etc, through copywork. Does this really work? I was reading a site that said that children can learn how to punctuate, etc, simply by copywork and dictation. It certainly sounds too good to be true! If he didn't have to go through all that learning to diagram sentences, etc, and still get the same thing, it would be wonderful. Just not sure if I believe that copywork and dictation alone are enough.

Any thoughts? I would like help, as I don't want my son to really fall way behind. He is already one grade behind where his age could be (he will be 10 in Feb. and could be in 4th), yet I am okay with that because he is still pretty immature. I don't want to get too caught up in grade levels either myself.

I don't want it to be too hard for him, as he doesn't really thrive on doing "lessons" very much. Yet, I definitely want him to be getting enough. Thanks!

Tina

[tnahid]

This might help. This is what he currently does daily:

Teaching Textbooks 3rd grade math on CD Rom (really likes this!)
Sequential Spelling (really likes!)
Language Lessons for Elementary Child (doesn't like it that much. Very short lessons, but require help from me, very little grammar)
Contenders of Faith handbook (works on that independently pretty much, earns pins, loves that!)
Left side of Beyond with younger brother (and sis listening in and out!)
DITHOR (loves the books so far, says it is his favorite because I sit with him and rub his hair Always wants me to talk him through the DITHOR worksheets each day, but likes it pretty good when I do that)
2 days (Singapore Science book) draws a picture of what he learns from reading a couple of pages and writes 5 sentences or so. (not really liking that. Says the book is boring, I agree, but for now, he is doing it. It's a little book)

Okay, that's his day. For an older 3rd grade boy, what do you think?

[John'smom]

I can't speak as to whether he should do 2 or 3, because I have never seen 3. My ds is 8 (a new and we just started his third grade year. We are just starting to use Book 2 and I've read through a ton of book 2. I know I'm kind of a nerd. I really like it and I know it would not be too overwhelming for your ds. I just wanted to suggest that you would switch to Rod and Staff. A child may be able to learn punctuation for some copywork, but they aren't going to learn all that's in the Rod and Staff books. I'll copy and paste what the book 2 contains. It's going to be long, but it's very gentle especially when done how Julie has described that she does with her dc.

Maybe someone else can give advice on whether you should use book 2 or 3, but maybe this will help you in your decision.
Here goes:
Table of Contents
Unit I - Learning About Sentences
1. What is a Sentence?
2. Phrases
3. The Telling Sentence
4. The Asking Sentence
5. Reviewing What We Have Learned
6. Starting Sentences Correctly
7. Beginning and Ending Sentences
8. Making Sentences
9. Making More Sentences
10. Reviewing What We Have Learned
11. Building More Sentences
12. Writing What We Know
13. Writing More Sentences
14. Answering Questions
15. Reviewing What We have Learned
16. More About Answering Questions
17. Writing Our Answers
18. Changing Word Order
19. Writing More Answers
20. Reviewing What We Have Learned
21. A Proper Order
22. Putting Words in Order
23. Making Sentences
24. Writing More Sentences
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Review One
Review Two
Extra Activity
A Poem to Enjoy
Unit II - Basic Building Blocks of Our Language
1. Naming Words
2. Nouns
3. Nouns That Tell Who
4. Nouns That Tell What
5. Reviewing What we Have Learned
6. Telling Who and What
7. Nouns That Tell What Place
8. Who, What, and What Place
9. Finding Nouns as We Read
10. Reviewing What We Have Learned
11. Writing Names of People
12. Writing Names of Places
13. Writing Proper Nouns
14. Recognizing Proper Nouns
15. Reviewing What We Have Learned
16. Doing Words
17. Verbs
18. Finding Verbs
19. Using Verbs
20. Reviewing What We Have Learned
21. Finding Nouns and Verbs
22. Completing Sentences
23. Building Sentences
24. Looking at Sentences
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Review One
Review Two
Extra Activity
A Poem to Enjoy
Unit III - Pronouns: Another Building Block of English
1. Words That Stand for Nouns
2. More About I and Me
3. You
4. The Pronoun It
5. Reviewing What We Have Learned
6. He and Him
7. More About He and Him
8. She and Her
9. More Practice With She and Her
10. Reviewing What We Have Learned
11. We and Us
12. We and I, Us and Me
13. They and Them
14. More Practice With They and Them
15. Reviewing What We Have Learned
16. One and More Than One
17. Using You for One or More
18. He, She, It, and They
19. Telling About More Than One
20. Reviewing What We Have Learned
21. Using Pronouns Correctly
22. More Practice With I and Me
23. Using Nouns and Pronouns
24. More Practice With Nouns and Pronouns
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Review One
Review Two
Extra Activity
A Poem to Enjoy
Unit IV - Meeting More Building Blocks of
1. Telling About Nouns
2. Describing Nouns
3. What Color Is It?
4. Answering Questions With Adjectives
5. Reviewing What We Have Learned
6. Working With Adjectives
7. Describing What We See
8. Describing What We Hear
9. Using Adjectives
10. Reviewing What We Have Learned
11. Building Better Sentences
12. How Many?
13. Saying What We Mean
14. Using Words in Correct Order
15. Reviewing What We Have Learned
16. Meeting More Verbs
17. Was and Were
18. Present and Past
19. More Work With Present and Past
20. Reviewing What We Have Learned
21. Have and Has
22. Have, Has, and Had
23. Thinking About Verbs
24. More Practice With Verbs
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Review One
Review Two
Extra Activity
A Poem to Enjoy
Unit V - Using Our Language
1. What Is a Paragraph?
2. What the Paragraph is About
3. Finding the Subject of a Paragraph
4. More Practice Finding the Subject
5. Reviewing What We Have Learned
6. Finding the Paragraph's Subject
7. More Work Finding the Subject
8. Writing Sentences in Order
9. More Practice With Sentence Order
10. Reviewing What We Have Learned
11. Sentences That Do Not Belong
12. Thinking About Things We See
13. Thinking About Things We Hear
14. Thinking About Things We Feel
15. Reviewing What We Have Learned
16. Writing About What We See
17. Writing About What We Hear
18. Writing About What We Feel
19. Seeing, Hearing, and Feeling
20. Reviewing What We Have Learned
21. Rhyming Words
22. Using Rhyming Words
23. Finishing a Rhyme
24. Writing a Poem
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Review One
Review Two
Extra Activity
A Poem to Enjoy
Unit VI - Building Our Vocabulary
1. Alphabetical Order
2. More Work With Alphabetical Order
3. More Alphabet Practice
4. When Words Begin With the Same Letters
5. More Practice With Alphabetical Order
6. When the First Two Letters Are the Same
7. Using Alphabetical Order
8. Writing Names in Alphabetical Order
9. More Practice Writing Names in Alphabetical Order
10. Reviewing Alphabetical Order
11. Meeting the Dictionary
12. Finding Correct Pronunciation
13. Finding Word Meanings
14. More Practice Finding Definitions
15. Words Used in the Bible
16. Words That Sound the Same
17. More Words That Sound the Same
18. Words That Mean the Same
19. Using Words That Mean the Same
20. Choosing More Exact Words
21. More Practice Choosing Exact Words
22. Words That Tell How We Move
23. Words That Are Opposites
24. Practice With Opposites
25. Reviewing What We Have Learned
Pronunciation Key
Dictionary

[tnahid]

Thank you very much for your thoughts. And thank you for letting me see what was in the workbook. Blessings!

[my3sons]

I think he'd do well with R & S English 2 as well. He can do a good portion of it orally, and you can put aside the "Language Lessons..." book then.

In Christ,
Julie

[Carrie]

Tina,

I agree that I would place a third grader in English 2.

Here is a link to an old thread on CM and grammar and HOD that may be of help to you as you ponder as well. Link:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3963

Blessings,
Carrie

[tnahid]

Thank you! I am going to go ahead and order the R and S 2 for my son. We may do it more slowly to start, but I think it will be good.

Blessings!
Tina