Narration Question

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3sweeties
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Narration Question

Post by 3sweeties » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:38 pm

Hi everyone,

Just wondering some things about narrating. After our storytime reading (about 5 pages), I ask DS "What do you remember from what we read?" I let him tell me. Usually it is just one, short point and that is it. I ask him if he remembers anything else and he usually says, "No." My primary question is, how can I encourage him to tell me more without pushing too much? My tendency is to ask comprehension-type questions (the English degree in me! :wink: ), but I'm pretty sure that is not what narrating is about. I will say that when I do ask specific questions, he usually knows the answer to them so I know he is listening and comprehending what we are reading. Should I just to take turns with him narrating...me first, then him (I've done a little bit of that so far), so he learns by example? Anyone have any other tips for narrating successfully?
Jessica~married to my sweetie for 21 years!
[DS17]~U.S. HISTORY 2~2019-20
[DS14]-World Geography~2019-20
[DD12]~ RTR, DITHOR 6-8~2019-20
[DS9]~Bigger~2019-20
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Re: Narration Question

Post by Tansy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:15 pm

This was a huge struggle for my dd1 these are the sucessfull techniques that actually worked. Besides taking turns, modeling is always useful!

1. I used to stop frequently to see what my dd1 could tell me. so a few paragraphs then a narration break.

2. I used to have 1st middle and last cards.. I would give her the cards and she would need to tell me one sentance for each card. (she had major sequencing issues) She often would give me the end stuff first. which was ok I'd write them down on a pice of paper then cut it and help her rearrange them in the correct order.

3. I'd ask her how it made her feel, or if she ever was like that.

4. I would always start with the rules for narration before I read the story *found in the appendix*
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Re: Narration Question

Post by my3sons » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:41 am

The BHFHG Appendix was helpful to me because I am also one to lean toward comprehension questions, and you're right, I've found that defeats the purpose of oral narrations. It helped me to read through Narration Tips: Teacher's List in the Appendix a bunch of times, just to remind myself of my role. I also went through the How to Narrate: Student's List with my ds, so he knew what to expect. I told him we'd think of the list as something to work through 1 thing at a time until he showed he did well with one, and then we'd get to move on to the next one. We just started with #1 on the list, and focused on that until he was doing it well, and then we moved on to #2, etc. It sounds like your ds may be on #4 and/or #5:
#4: Be ready to tell all you can remember when the reading is done.
#5: Retell what was read with as much detail as you can. There is not one right way to do this.

I explained that there are many ways to see what he remembers. For example, I could expect him to write a few pages after he reads each day to show me he understood it - however, I preferred having him orally tell me since he had lots of other writing to do for school (this thought made him deeply appreciate ORAL narrations) :lol: . You can show your ds the list and tell him that he's on #4 and telling ALL he can remember amounts to more than 1 sentence now. :D I love showing them THE BOOK, like I didn't make this up - it's really in the HOD book and must be done! :D (I'm putting the focus on you, Carrie :lol: )

Here are a few of the narrating activities from Beyond that are helpful when beginning oral narrations as well. Day 2 focused on the modeling of narrations. Here are some examples of those:
*The parent models narrating by retelling what was read that day, telling the most important points and adding details from the story without overwhelming the student.
*The parent narrates first. After a short time, tap the student and say "Your turn". The student narrates a bit and after a short time taps the parent and says "Your turn", etc.
*The parent writes a retelling of the story, leaving blanks in place of key words. Key words can be names, places, descriptive words, etc. Work with the student to fill in the missing words.

Day 5 focused on practicing narration by retelling the story in a variety of ways. Here are some examples of those:
*Prompt the students with these questions: What happened at the beginning of the part we read today? What happened during the middle of the part we read today? What happened at the end?
*The student orally retells the reading while mimicking the character's actions. Parent prompts the student after each action by asking, "What happened next?"
*Guide students to retell today's reading by saying, "Tell me what you remember from today's story. Prompt students as needed to include important events (i.e. What about ____? How about _____?)

In BHFHG, the student should be moving toward being able to orally narrate well without so much guidance and prompting, but if your child didn't do Beyond or didn't narrate much before beginning Bigger Hearts, the above Beyond activities are great for spurring them on to orally narrate well. You could always get the Beyond manual and work through Day 2's and Day 5's activities using the Bigger readings if you'd like that guidance and funds allow. Otherwise, just doing some of the above guidance and modeling at the beginning and pairing that with the Bigger Hearts Appendix ideas would work well too. Oral narrating is definitely a marathon, not a race - and it takes a lifetime to get good at it - as evidenced by many of us MOMS needing to get better at it (I'm thinking of myself here :lol: ) too! :) HTH! :wink:

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Julie
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Re: Narration Question

Post by Tree House Academy » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:45 pm

Something we have found helpful is to make a bulleted list of main points together just after I finish reading. This helps ds make the connection with the next thing that happened without worrying about getting it all right or telling it out of order. This also helps him when he writes a summary. I have noticed him getting better and better at telling the complete story back to me rather than just a sentence or two.
~Rebecca~

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ds9 (4th) - Preparing Hearts, TT Math 4, R&S English 3, CLE Reading 4, & Writeshop Jr.

We have completed LHFHG, BLHFHG, Bigger, CTC, & RTR.

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Re: Narration Question

Post by my3sons » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:12 am

Tree House Academy wrote:... I have noticed him getting better and better at telling the complete story back to me rather than just a sentence or two.
This is cause for celebration - hooray! I'm so glad to hear this, Rebecca. I am celebrating with you today! :D

In Christ,
Julie
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3sweeties
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Re: Narration Question

Post by 3sweeties » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:19 pm

Thanks so much everyone! Those ideas REALLY help! I am going to copy this post to my Word documents so I can easily go back and look at the tips when we are struggling. Narration (other than reading about it in Charlotte Mason books) has been a foreign concept to me as far as school goes, so I am having to re-train my own way of thinking too! :wink:

I have read the Narration Tips in Bigger, but I never thought of reading the student tips to DS directly to him. I think that will help!

Rebecca, do you think I should try the bulleted points for my DS at this point (he is on the younger end of the guides) or wait until maybe mid to end of the year to try that?

Julie, I do have Beyond. I purchased the book for math...we backed up to Singapore 1B b/c we were transitioning from another curriculum and I wanted to make sure he had the basic concepts down. I never thought to look at the narration tips within the Storytime box. HOD is new for us, so we have never formally and purposefully narrated. We sort of did it last year, but very casually. I will look over that this weekend!

Thanks again for all the great help! :D
Jessica~married to my sweetie for 21 years!
[DS17]~U.S. HISTORY 2~2019-20
[DS14]-World Geography~2019-20
[DD12]~ RTR, DITHOR 6-8~2019-20
[DS9]~Bigger~2019-20
Enjoyed LHFHG, Beyond, Bigger, Preparing, CTC, RTR, RevtoRev, MTMM, WORLD GEOG, WORLD HIST, US HIST 1~LOVING HOD!

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