Give your opinion: Science in future guides

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by SouthernMrs » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:26 pm

Carrie wrote:Charlene,

You are SO right! I need to update this thread, and I had intended to do it before now! :D Luckily, I have you wonderful ladies to keep me on track.

I am off to work on the new cover for our new book this evening, but I WILL get back to this thread soon. 8)

I also need to get a folder up for the new guide, so we can start compiling these threads in ONE place. :wink:

Blessings,
Carrie
Can't wait to read about all that you have planned for the science segment in the new Ancient's guide!
Thanks for all you do! :D
Take care,
Charlene
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by Susan » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:30 pm

Well, I know every child is different, but when we stuck with one topic of science(life) for a year my 5th and 6th grader became a little bored and uninterested in the topic. However, my 7th and 8th grader seemed to be able to stay focused longer. I think it might be good to consider the difference between a 5th grader and an 8th grader. I would still continue to use HOD if you stayed with your original plan. Maybe switching around each quarter or semester with the first two guides and staying with one topic the last 2 guides. Just an idea. WE love HOD and I tell my husband everyday how wonderful it is. I love finishing on Friday and not having to think about school or plan on the weekend, so our family can do other fun things and visit with other families, etc. Carrie, I love how you have added so many resources to the appendix(poetry, dictation, readers, how to narrate, etc). Thanks for all your research!!!
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by GingerN » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:24 pm

I have been thinking about the future science possibilities, and I wanted to mention a couple of programs that have been getting rave reviews from my friends who are currently using them. The first is Real Science 4 Kids. It seems to have a similar framework to what you were mentioning. A second program is Christian Kids Explore Biology (or Chemistry, Earth & Space and Physics). Just thought I would toss those titles out to see if they might work into your overall strategy. Blessings~
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by joyfulheart » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:44 pm

You mean after Preparing??

Ok, well- I gotta say, I'd love to get rid of the One Small Square books... sorry, I just don't care for them. I'm sure it's just me, they're good books, I just never cared for them.

I'd love to see more hands on stuff. Simple things, using household stuff, but a little more action. It's just the learning style of my son, (and me) that likes that kind of thing. I recently purchased some books to try to beef up the hands on stuff in Bigger/Preparing.... http://topscience.org/ It's supposed to be all using mostly stuff you have at home, incorporates a little math, and is adjustable for many agegroups... I saw it at a friends' house, and just ordered some to check them out.

Oh, and I just rec'd the Preparing and am VERY excited about it. Can't wait to finish Bigger now!

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by deltagal » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:32 am

Hi everyone,

Did I imagine this or has Carrie posted her plans for Science for the Ancients guide somewhere? :? I thought i had read it recently and now I cannot find it. Perhaps, it was just wishful thinking. :wink: If anyone can help me, I would appreciate the link. I have some science questions and I thought Carrie's post (if there is one) could help me get going. :D

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by MamaBear23Cubs » Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:05 pm

My husband likes how there are different science subjects throughout the guides. I doesn't want to do one subject per year. He wouldn't mind breaking up into 3 or 4 subjects per year. As for me, I don't really have a preferrence which way the guides would go we are back in Bigger and enjoying it by just adding some extra books to go with the topics and adding more notebooking pages.

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by Carrie » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:17 pm

Yes, I have been dragging my feet on posting about the science! :oops: I was all ready to post our "likely" choices and overall plan, and then we discovered some new science products in the works and ended up reconsidering all over again! So, I have been waiting to post our thoughts until I am more settled in my own mind! :wink:

I will most likely be posting on this topic in the next week or two, as we're making our choices now to start gearing up to get them on the website and copy written for the new product for the catalog. I always like to explore every possible option to be sure we have the absolute right fit that we're praying for.

I really appreciate your patience on this thread ladies! :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by water2wine » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:49 pm

Carrie wrote: I will most likely be posting on this topic in the next week or two, as we're making our choices now to start gearing up to get them on the website and copy written for the new product for the catalog. I always like to explore every possible option to be sure we have the absolute right fit that we're praying for.
Well that sounds exciting to me. Can't wait to hear what you finally decide. I know it will be great! :D And I am so thankful that you pray and think these things through so thoroughly. I know whatever you choose will be great!
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by Carrie » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:04 pm

Ladies,

I am finally feeling more settled about the science (at least for the new ancient's guide "Hearts for Him Through Time: Creation to Christ)! :D I am so grateful to each and every one of you for taking time to share your experiences and your thoughts about science. It's a blessing to be able to dialogue with like-minded moms who strive to put the Lord first and desire to equip their children both academically and spiritually to do the Lord's calling.

We are excited to have a general science sequence for our upcoming guides in place. Our plan is to have a Life Science/Biology focus for our new ancient's guide, an Earth Science focus for the next guide, a Physical Science focus for the third guide in the series, and a Chemistry/Physics focus for the last guide (done so as not to require a higher level of math for working formulas) along with a look at the creation/evolution debate. 8)

This sequence will be less tied to the history and be more independent in its scope and sequence. Within each year of science there will be a variety of topics covered to keep the science interesting. I agree that too much time spent on one topic won't keep kiddos interest as much as a variety will. :D

We would recommend that if kiddos have a science bent or a family is very science-minded, they could easily substitute or add-in upper level Apologia or Rainbow Science. However, for our own family, we will be teaching what we have scheduled within our guides. Here's a peek into our plans for the upcoming ancients guide.

For our life science/biology year, we plan to use Elementary Apologia's Zoology 3: Land Animals of the Sixth Day for the first half of the year. Here's a link to the book: https://apologia.securesites.net/store/ ... cts_id=104

While Zoo. 1 is recommended as a prerequisite, this is only due to the animal classification system introduced in Zoo.1. For our purposes, we do not find this to be a barrier in the use of Zoo. 3, and we will include an animal classification chart for reference or refer customers to the online chapter provided for Zoo. 1 at the Apologia website to remedy this factor. :wink:

After completing Zoo.3, students will move onto a nature journal type study of birds and then plants with the following 2 CM-style resources: Birds of the Air (link to chapter): http://www.yesterdaysclassics.com/previ ... review.pdf
Plant Life in Field and Garden (link to chapter): http://www.yesterdaysclassics.com/previ ... review.pdf

Then, we will finish up the year with a study of the human body, using the following 3 resources:
Galen and the Gateway to Medicine (link): http://www.bethlehembooks.com/product_d ... =974549960
The History of Medicine (link): http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... iew=covers
An Illustrated Adventure in Human Anatomy (link): http://www.hometrainingtools.com/produc ... plate_id=2

We will write plans of our own for the daily follow-up assignments for these texts similar to the design of the Preparing Hearts guide's science. Each week, we will include each of the following: notebooking, written narration, an experiment (keeping any of those in the Apologia book that are not overwhelming), and questions to answer. These will all be kept within a science journal or a tabbed 3-ring science binder. Vocabulary words will be included within the science assignments and as part of the weekly lab sheet (instead of within the history portion of our ancient's guide). We will also schedule the readings daily and plan for this portion of the student's day to be independent. 8)

Since this post is getting long, I'll put my tentative thoughts on future years of HOD science options in a new post! :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by beandip71 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:15 pm

Wow Carrie, that sounds wonderful!! :D I can't wait until my dc are old enough to use that program.
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by Carrie » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:42 pm

This post is meant to shed a little more light on our thoughts for the cycles of science to follow the life science/biology that will be the focus in the ancient's guide. All of these options are ones we are considering and are open to change, as we get closer to releasing each guide. :wink:

For the Earth Science cycle, we will most likely use John Hudson Tiner's Exploring Planet Earth (which we currently carry in our Bigger Hearts Extension Pack). We really like this particular book of Tiner's, although all of his are well-done. :D
Link: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... iew=covers

For other Earth Science options, we are considering "A Child's Geography" (which is actually very earth science-focused due to it being a physical geography book), "The Astronomy Book", "Along Came Galileo", "The Weather Book", "The Ocean Book", "The Cave Book", and "Dry Bones and Other Fossils". This is actually the year we are least settled on resource-wise and are looking forward to seeing what combination of books we actually end up using! :D
"A Child's Geography" link: http://www.knowledgequestmaps.com/acg1.htm
"The Astronomy Book" link: http://www.newleafpublishinggroup.com/s ... 965cf2e9c6
"Along Came Galileo" link: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... iew=covers
"The Weather Book" link: http://www.newleafpublishinggroup.com/s ... 965cf2e9c6
"The Ocean Book" link: http://www.newleafpublishinggroup.com/s ... 965cf2e9c6
"The Cave Book" link: http://www.newleafpublishinggroup.com/s ... 965cf2e9c6
"Dry Bones and Other Fossils" link: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... iew=covers

For the Physical science year, we are leaning toward using "Exploration Education: Intermediate Physical Science". It is somewhat expensive but does include a Student Manual, Teacher's Key, all needed supplies (labeled and organized neatly), and a CD-Rom with daily lectures/instructions and trial questions/answers that are corrected right within the CD. Our oldest son in 7th grade is testing it this year and really enjoying himself. We are finding it to be an excellent introduction to physical science that our son can do much of on his own! We are finding it meaty enough to cover the topics using a daily lab format. Here is a link for this product: http://www.explorationeducation.com/int ... rview.html
To add a more living quality to this science year, we will most likely add some scientist/inventor biographies such as Michael Faraday, Henry Ford, Robert Fulton, and Alexander Graham Bell.

For the Chemistry/Physics year, we are looking at using John Hudson Tiner's Exploring the World of Chemistry along with Ellen McHenry's "The Elements". Link to Exploring the World of Chemistry: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... iew=covers
"The Elements" link: http://www.ellenjmchenry.com/id98.html

We may also use Tiner's Exploring the World of Physics or use biographies of physicists instead for the physics portion. For the last part of that year, we will also be addressing the evolution/creation debate. We really like the book "Evolution: The Grand Experiment" for this purpose and will be having our own son test it in 8th grade next year. The book does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue and letting the student decide based on the evidence. The book is written by a Creationist but does a great job of showing both sides. Here is a link: http://www.thegrandexperiment.com/
Since the link from the publisher above does not let you "see inside" the book, I'll also include this link: http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Grand-E ... 767&sr=8-1
As a possible back-up, we are considering Gary Parker's "Building Blocks in Science".

Even though, these are our current choices, they could change quite a bit by the time we get to writing these guides. There are always new and exciting products being published in the area of science that we will look forward to weighing when the time comes. :D Jeannie Fulbright is in the process of co-writing an Anatomy book for Apologia Elementary Science Series (which we considered for our upcoming ancient's guide). She is also co-writing a chemistry/physics book. John Hudson Tiner has a new Biology book coming out in January, which we already previewed for our ancient's guide. Ellen McHenry has a botany book she will be releasing sometime next year, which we also weighed when choosing books for our new ancients guide. So, there are always new options that can change our best-laid plans. However, from reading our science options above, you can get a feel for where we are going with the science section of our guides. :wink:

The wonderful thing is if you happen to be of a different science mindset than we are, you can easily substitute in your own science without hurting the flow of the HOD guide. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by MamaBear23Cubs » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:56 pm

I have the Apologia Zoology 3 and was looking at A Child's Geography. I like the looks of both of those.

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by ncmomof5 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:49 pm

Carrie,

Wow! I cannot tell you how excited I am. I wish we could start right now.

Science is very important to my oldest dd, and I just know she is going to love all the animal studies.

Keep up the great work.

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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by water2wine » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:18 pm

Carrie I love your focus. We have actually done almost all the Earth Science you have listed and they were very good. We loved ACG and all the Newleaf science books are great to reference. We missed a few you have listed so we will probably do those with the guide for fun. All the other resources look great as well. Some were things I had hoped to use in the future so I love that you will be using them. :D Thanks for sharing some other options for people who either want to do more traditional science (whatever that means but not sure how else to say it) or have used some of these items. I think our family will do what we always do which is use what HOD has listed but also add other kinds of science and I love that you have left that open for that. I can never pass up the CM style HOD science. It's so much fun and I love how it makes them think.

I think the focus looks great and I like how you have it laid out with a cycle for all the four guides to come. It is looking very sort of high school to me. :shock: I could see how that could just continue for another four years on a little deeper level or something similar. Are you feeling it? :wink:
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Re: Give your opinion: Science in future guides

Post by Jessi » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:33 pm

All I can say is wow. :D
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