new to home schooling

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sherylg
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Re: new to home schooling

Post by sherylg » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:59 pm

To Kathleen, MomtoJGJE, and anyone else who is teaching two different history subjects,
Do you find it confusing and disjointed teaching two different history lessons and science lessons? I was so looking forward to teaching the same history/science lesson to everyone, having the same field trips, same projects, same subject and thought my kids would enjoy learning about the same things. Maybe that is unrealistic? I thought it would be easier to keep track of if we were all on the same subject and learning the same things.....different expectations, of course, but same subjects and all that go along with them.
I am still leaning towards Bigger Hearts for us with the extension package and adding and/or subtracting as we need to while we figure this first year out.
Thanks again for all your insights, they are making me think :!:

momtofive

Re: new to home schooling

Post by momtofive » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:21 pm

I don't know for sure if I should even weigh in on this topic or not, being that I'm quite new to HOD, but I think I will. My children are going into grades 5th, 3rd, 1st and PreK (and there's a toddler, too). Last year we did a curriculum that included a large span of ages in it. It included Bible, history, science, music, art and geography. Talk about disjointed. I was trying to cover such different levels of learning that I was causing the disjointedness!! I felt like the littler ones weren't learning anything because so much of it was above their level. I wanted something where they were learning a lot, too, not just catching what they can. This year after much prayer, we are going to begin HOD (in the fall). I'll be using CTC for my 5th grader, Beyond for my 3rd and 1st graders to do together, and LHTH for my PreK and toddler to do together. I feel as though HOD offers such a treat for each age group. It is tailored to their needs at each learning level. Even if you combine a couple of them into two different programs, you'll probably have less headache than trying to make the program stretch over such a span.

Ultimately, it's up to you. Just pray about it. I know when I have a problem or something that I'm unsure of, God always has the answer that's just right for us!!! :D

In Christ,
Lisa

lmercon
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Re: new to home schooling

Post by lmercon » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:31 pm

I totally "get" your thinking! However, something to consider is the depth of study, or lack thereof, you could achieve by combining such a span of ages. The oldest child can/will desire a depth of the topic that would be too challenging or even inappropriate for your younger children. In order to "gentle" things for the youngers, you would have to water down the content for the older one, making it "babyish." In addition, the older dc will want more "whys" and "hows" than the younger dc would be able to comprehend. So, in order to meet the needs of your older dc, you would still need to reteach, add-on, etc.

I don't think it will be as disjointed as it may seem now to do more than one time period. The older dc may enjoy listening in on the younger readings. The younger children might enjoy participating in a feast or special project the older ones are doing. Just because an older child is doing ancient history, doesn't mean he/she won't enjoy a trip to an early American historical site. My dd who is learning the Bible stories using LHTH has thoroughly enjoyed the field trips we've taken this year that have nothing to do with what she is learning.

Again, many moms do combine all their children in one unit-study approach and make it work. But as the other poster said, it is WORK to make sure that everyone is on their own level. I think there are trade-offs to either approach.

Hope this gives another perspective,
Laura
Wife to a great guy and mommy to:
Ds(15) - using WG and loving it!
Dd(11) - using Res.to Ref and having a blast!
Ds (3) - our joy!
Two little ones in the arms of Jesus - I can't wait to hold you in Heaven!

MomtoJGJE
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Re: new to home schooling

Post by MomtoJGJE » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:44 am

Well, right now we are finishing up Beyond and doing LHTH with my middle two, so no... it's not disjointed. :) I started out the year doing Beyond, LHFHG, and LHTH and it still wasn't disjointed.... in fact it was easier in some ways, just not on my mind thinking I'd be doing back to back books forever.

But I'm assuming by what you've said, your kids are roughly two years apart in age...... my girls are roughly two years apart... right now they are 7, 5, 3, and 1... could you imagine the 1year old following along with what the 7 year old is doing? That seems crazy.... but yet, it's the same age span you are wanting to combine. You COULD do it... it WOULD work if you did it.... but it would be hard and the youngest and oldest would miss out on so much. Oh, and we do historical/educational field trips all the time.... it doesn't matter what you are studying... and sometimes it helps to be able to go back and say "remember when we did xyz? well this is the same thing.... or vice versa when you are on the trip to say "remember when we talked about xyz in school? Here it is!" it just reinforces it when it comes at a different time than what they are currently studying.

my3sons
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Re: new to home schooling

Post by my3sons » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:50 am

We just finished CTC with our almost 11 yo, Beyond with your 7 yo, and half of LHTH with our toddler. Because my dc are far apart in age and ability, I actually found it less confusing to teach separately. There is such a gap between them that if I chose history/science even on the easier side for my oldest, it would still be confusing and over the head of my 7 yo. He would be asked on a daily basis to do things that are too difficult for him, which would in turn make the day drag on for my oldest. If I was going to combine the 7 and 11 yo, it would be better to do so in a younger program and up it with extensions, but even then - my oldest is well beyond the extensions of Bigger Hearts, which is definitely the highest guide my 7 yo could do. Same deal with my little guy. My 3 1/2 yo is a smart little cookie, but my 7 yo is leaps and bounds ahead of him. For these reasons, we've found it a huge relief to teach separate programs. The dc are together for portions of DITHOR, which works well for them, but separate for the rest of their schooling. We've occasionally done Storytime together, or a poetry sharing together of the different poetry their studying, but mostly they are separately working on things that fit their learning well. I am thankful they are learning the skills they need to for each of their different ages. :D

HOD is so strong on incrementally teaching academic skills, and that's what ultimately leads my dc to being able to independently do things for school well too. So, for example, Beyond did a good job of teaching my middle ds to orally narrate well. It modeled it, held his hand through that whole skill, and helped him learn how to properly orally narrate. Had he done Bigger Hearts when he was too young, he would have missed that needed instruction for doing that skill well because Bigger Hearts assumes dc are somewhat familiar/beginning level proficient with this skill already. Same thing with written narrations, summary narrations, detailed narrations, creative writing lessons, etc. Because all of these skills are incrementally taught, I can just say at certain guides "Do an oral narration" or "Do a written narration" or "Write a summary narration", and that's enough instruction because they've been taught well step-by-step to be able to do this. HOD always does a refresher of what's expected for each of these things, but it's assuming that a child is able to do the things noted in the placement chart well when entering a guide.

Many other curriculums that are for very wide age ranges just say "write a written narration" or "write a poem", etc. and never truly teach how to do it, I'm sure the idea being that everyone will just do it on their own level. But where's the instruction on HOW to write a good narration or a good poem? If there is not any instruction on this, how will dc progress? Many times the skills are just left out or are made to be so very general that anything will do for a product. I think HOD's method of making sure skills are taught when they should be taught, of keeping age ranges to about 4-5 years for guides, and of beefing up by adding extensions is a great way to combine across they ages. Of course there are exceptions to the "4-5 Year" range. There are times that an older child is struggling more while the youngest is flourishing, which narrows that gap and makes combining an excellent placement for all involved. Or, there are times when a very busy life, health concerns, many dc to consider, budget needs, etc. make doing 1 program for all the best choice because it is the one that will get done on a daily basis - much better than a bunch of programs not getting done day after day.

Your dc are quite close in ages to fitting that range, so only you can know if that's going to be your best fit. But I just wanted to share the thought that goes into the plans for HOD, and that the way the guides are written makes it easy to teach several programs at once. As the child matures, their level of independent work goes up, which it can because the skills have been taught and the things a child should be doing independently are assigned to be done independently. Meanwhile, the younger guides keep school time shorter, and focus on building a strong 3R's foundation. So, for CTC, my teaching time was around an hour or an hour and a half. For Beyond, my teaching time was around 2 hours or less, and for LHTH, 20-30 minutes. This made our school year very balanced, and our dc loved their year. Whatever you decide, I think you will find HOD to be a joy to teach and a blessing to your family. There is not one right decision here, but rather one right decision for your family, and only you can know what that may be. Thanks for your questions here, as they are so important and help others ponder their choices as well! :D

In Christ,
Julie
Enjoyed LHTH to USII
Currently using USI
Wife to Rich for 28 years
Mother to 3 sons, ages 23, 20, and 16
Sister to Carrie

Kathleen
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Re: new to home schooling

Post by Kathleen » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:53 pm

Sheryl,

It truly wasn't confusing to us at all either. My kids "fit" right in the guides they're in. My little 2 were together for the year and then Grant was seperate. There was just a HUGE difference between what he needed to learn and what my little preschoolers and this year Kindergartener needed to learn. So, as far as the readings they're ready to listen to, what they can write, etc. It worked perfectly to have them doing different things. For the last couple of years, they have joined in on some of the "fun" things. Grant would request their help occasionally for activities and experiments. (They helped mine for gold in Bigger, they all made "bombs bursting in air" when we read about the star spangled banner, Grant enlisted them for help with the medieval feast that he planned for our family...) Sometimes Grant would join in on the "fun" of the little ones, too. They all love to talk about what they're learning at meal times and are really interested in each other's school. (And I know they'd all jealously look at what I'm doing with the others if they ALL didn't get HOD. :wink: ) But they all love the fun time they have in school every day! And they each do school for a very appropriate amount of time given their ages. My 9 yo last year needed to spend 4-4 1/2 hrs on school, while my 5 yo needed only the 1-1 1/2 she got. Garret who was only 3, joined us for about 30 min. The younger 2 had the time they needed to enjoy playing together inside and out. (And they still all 3 had all afternoon and evening to enjoy the company of each other! :D )

For me, and our family, it just works so smoothly for me to not have to be adjusting the material and juggling the kids during the teaching time. I love to just pick up the guide and GO! :D If your vision for your family is leading you to really want to make doing the same thing work for them all...go for it! I know that there's not one "right" way.

Praying for you as you ponder how God is leading you to teach your family!
:D Kathleen
Homeschooling mom to 6:
Grant - 19 Kansas State University
Allison - 15 World Geography
Garret - 13 Res2Ref
Asa - 8 Bigger
Quinn - 7 Bigger

Halle - 4 LHTH

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