Confused with still more questions....

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LeAnna
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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by LeAnna » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:01 pm

Okay, so if I was to go 4 days a week in Beyond with Olivia and Audrey... together with everything... that would put me at about 1.25 school years per manual. Will that put, especially Olivia, behind in the math, English and Spelling? Or am I over analizing this. :shock: :D What if I went even a little bit longer, like 1.5 years per manual, for Audrey's sake of catching up?
That would keep them together, but I don't want to slow Olivia down either. She seems to be my full steam ahead one. :D There is such a difference in maturity level between the two girls, even if they are only 13 months apart.

LeAnna
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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by Carrie » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:48 pm

LeAnna,

In looking at placement for our guides, we place the most emphasis on the first page of the placement chart. So, when I'm looking at your line-up below for the 3R's for Audrey for next year, she would place into Beyond.
Math: Singapore Primary 1A and 1B
Phonics: Finishing the Reading Lesson and moving on to Emerging Readers
Handwriting: A Reason For Handwriting A
Science: My Father's World mixed with One Small Square Backyard
Thinking Skills Grade 1
Storytime: Mix and Match of Beyond's books... whatever Olivia will be using
I'm thinking that it must be the history readings that you're wondering if she's comprehending fully, because as far as the rest goes, she is on track to do Beyond with her big sis. So, if you get a chance to pop back in and let me know what you think she's not handling well right now in LHFHG that would help me know better where her areas of struggle are and how best to address them. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

LeAnna
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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by LeAnna » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:24 pm

It is seeming like it's comprehension and understanding that she most stuggles with, in the stories and in history. She is struggling a bit with math too, but that comes and goes. When i am thumbing through the Beyond manual, i know that she is going to have to do Handwriting A, because she just doesn't have those letters down. So, we could do a little bit of the the writing in the poetry, but I think all of it would be too much. I don't know for sure if she would be ready for spelling, but we could test the waters with that.
I guess I am most concerned with her understanding of the history, geography, language arts. I know that comprehension will come in time, but I want her to be able to understand what I am reading/teaching her. I am not so much concerned with Beyond, as I am moving her to Bigger at 6.5 years old. I don't know. It just looks like it would be too hard for her, in the same areas. I would have Olivia in Bigger at 7.5, and I am sure that she would do fine. I feel like I am pushing Audrey into something that she may not be ready for. She is a really smart girl, I just think she excells in different areas. She loves Phonics and we are in Lesson 6 with The Reading Lesson. I plan to continue on for the next 7 weeks and then call it good for the school year. We will pick up the next year.
I don't know if I am reading more into this than I should. When I look at the placement chart, it looks to me like she might do so so in it, if we went slow... at least 4 days a week. I too wonder if 6 months wait would make a difference in her maturity and understanding of the material, but then I don't really want to wait 6 months for Olivia.... I want to keep them together.
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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by Carrie » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:12 pm

LeAnna,

I agree that it wouldn't be a good fit for Audrey to head into Bigger Hearts at 6.5. I was thinking Audrey would pretty much be 6 by the time she was beginning Beyond, thinking she was 5.5 now.

It is not any problem for her to do A Reason for Writing A along with Beyond, in place of the poetry copywork. We'll be doing the same thing with our own little guy this upcoming year. I'd just omit the poetry copywork for her altogether. :wink:
I also wouldn't begin the spelling lessons with her until she is close to finishing The Reading Lesson.

It is definitely worthwhile to work to keep two kiddos that are so close together in age together if at all possible. I do think with just a bit of tweaking in the early years that you could keep these two kiddos together for the long haul. So, my advice below is going to be leading in that direction.

At the beginning of your next year, it would be a good idea to begin at half-speed with Beyond for the first 2-8 weeks and even longer if this is a good fit. This will give you time to ease into the program and also give Audrey a bit more time to mature at the beginning of Beyond.

Next, I would move into Beyond at full-speed 4 days a week when the girls seem ready. This will be a good pace to keep the girls moving forward, yet will leave you time to explore special interests on Fridays. Singapore math is advanced, so you won't be falling behind by following this schedule. A little additional time to mature in the math area is actually a good thing. Our third son in 4th grade this year is just now starting 4A. He's very mathy and tests in the 99 percentile in math every year on the Iowa Basics, yet this is a perfect level for him in Singapore. :wink: Since Olivia is on the young side of Beyond too, this would be fine for her as well. There's no hurry to get to the upper levels of Singapore math too soon. :D

Then, the following year you would take the first 10-13 weeks at 4 days a week to finish Beyond. Next, you'd head into Bigger Hearts at 4 days a week. By this time Audrey would be 7 and Olivia would be 8. You wouldn't worry about Audrey doing cursive in Bigger, as she'd be doing the copywork of poetry in Bigger Hearts instead and would just do the cursive the next year with Preparing instead. You might have to modify some of the copywork for Audrey within Bigger for the first while too, but you'll know better when you get there. :D If at that point you still felt Audrey needed more time to mature, then you could always have her bump back and join your upcoming little one who by this time would most likely be in LHFHG. :D

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this if you get a chance. :wink:

Blessings,
Carrie

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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by Carrie » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:25 pm

LeAnna,

I also forgot to mention that comprehension of the history readings and read-alouds will come over time. At our house, we don't ask any additional questions or do any additional checking to see that they "got" the readings beyond what is listed in our guides. We just read the story, do the follow-up activity, and call it good. Over time their little minds select and remember more and more details from the story. :D

It's also important to note that young kiddos have very little frame of reference for the times, places, or people that you are reading about for history. So, they won't sift through which things are important from those which are less important. Instead, they'll remember the story (but often omit the names, dates, places, etc. which have no meaning to them yet). These bits of stories become pegs within their mind upon which to hang future readings/history connections. This is why we use a layered approach to history instruction, so the next year kiddos get another layer of that time period (done in a different way) which leads to making connections. :D

When you have 2 kiddos in the same program, it's easy to compare their "comprehension" and "understanding". However, there's no way that both will comprehend equally well, as much of comprehension is a maturity issue that comes with time. So, while it may not seem as if Audrey is comprehending very well, she may actually be doing better than you think. It may just depend on who she's being compared to. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

LeAnna
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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by LeAnna » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:40 pm

Thank you, Carrie! That makes a lot of sense to me now! Yes, we will start our fall year around Sept. and she will turn 6 in January. I was wondering if Bigger would be too hard for her at first. We will definitely do what you suggested! I am going to copy this and put it in my folder right now, for future reference. :D
You explained everything very well. Thank you! I feel much better about doing the two girls together now. I knew it would be better to have them together for Beyond, but was worried about Audrey. I think you are right, with a little tweaking and going 4 days a week and a little slower in the beginning, she will be do great!

LeAnna :D
Love my husband of 18 years this year;
Love my 3 teenagers--13, 15, and 16. They keep me young, but hanging on for dear life! :lol:
Used HOD in the earliest years with all three of them!

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Re: Confused with still more questions....

Post by Carrie » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:12 pm

LeAnna,

Sounds good! I'd just hate to have you miss out on the benifits of combining them if possible, since they're so close in age! :D You'll notice the biggest gap between them now as one can read/write/listen and the other one is still learning all of that for the first time. The gap will close more as Audrey gains as a reader/writer/listener. :D

Blessings,
Carrie

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